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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:36 PM
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Is America's death penalty 100 percent perfect?
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 10:37 PM by trumad
No---of course not---which lies the sole reason that it should be abolished.
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bammertheblue Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:39 PM
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1. I agree
this is the reason I am against the death penalty. If you put someone in jail mistakenly, they can be released. It's a tragedy and they will never get those years back, but at least you are alive. You can't bring someone back to life if you mistakenly execute them.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:40 PM
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2. Not the SOLE reason, but definitely the first. n/t
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:42 PM
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3. Exactly...
No human justice system can be perfect, none of us are divine, and cannot know without doubt what people do, will do, or have done. The best is "beyond a reasonable doubt" and even removing prejudices and other factors, even that cannot be perfect.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:50 PM
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4. How can we claim to be Civilized and allow the State to kill people?
Or start unprovided wars for that matter.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:55 PM
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5. Used To Be... "Better To Let 12 Guilty Men Go Free, Than...
to convict\execute one innocent man."

I guess those days are gone.

What a shame.

Apparently these days are gone too:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Sorry Ben... who knew we'd turn into a nation of wimps.

Shame.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:57 PM
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6. If we execute so much as one innocent person, it should be destroyed.
We have fairly good reason to believe we have and probably will continue to execute innocent people.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:34 PM
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7. 12 jurors chosen from among your peers...even 99% perfect?
We (all of us) have executed 1000 people since reinstituting the Death Penalty...if "only" 1% were in error, that's 10 wrongful deaths...people who were put to death by a society that told everyone, including their families, that they were guilty of crimes which they'll never be able to disprove...they will die as objects of hatred, and their children will spend their lives thinking they are the children of criminals. Could Kafka write anything more deeply horrifying?

Look at your neighbors. Look at your coworkers. Look at your family. Could you rely on even them to get 99% of *anything* right, working twelve at a time?

Of course if it's even more than 1%...but what are the chances of that?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:46 AM
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15. I have served on a jury and it could have gone either way


All you need is one jerk/ bully ,like we had on our jury and no one with the guts to fight him/her tooth and nail.

Being on a jury is like playing poker,you have got to have the RIGHT LAWS in your hand, you have got to have a DECENT JUDGE who is not trying to railroad the jury and you have to have at least 11 of those members "playing with a full deck" mentally.

I would not want to have my life in the hands of the jury that I was on.

The judge was wise beyond measure and made us stay in that room until everyone was so tired that only the STRONG (goclark and one other) were able to help the weak ones see that this Child Molester, a police officer no less, was guilty as hell!

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:35 PM
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8. Agreed!
:applause:
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:38 PM
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9. Actually, it should be abolished because killing is wrong.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:39 PM
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10. the real reason should be that there is no proof it is punishment..
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:44 PM
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11. Even if it were it would still be wrong.
The state should not be in the business of killing people already imprisoned. Period.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:44 PM
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12. I value your post and hope that it can remain


a learning experience that is meaningful and not mean spirited.

PEACE
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:45 PM
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13. I love you, Tru
:loveya:
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philarq Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:47 PM
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14. Perfect--when they execute someone---they're dead....period
do not pass go--do not collect $200.

Is it perfect in the sense that no innocent person has ever been executed--Nope.
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