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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:25 PM
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John Lennon was murdered by an evangelical Christian?
(Chapman) is currently imprisoned at Attica State Prison, near Buffalo, in upstate New York. For years, he had to be separated completely from other prisoners because of concerns for his safety. He is an avid letter-writer and evangelical Christian. Chapman has refused to undergo therapy of any kind while in prison, claiming to have been healed of severe depression by virtue of his fervent Christian beliefs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_David_Chapman
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:27 PM
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1. That's WHY he killed John Lennon, didn't you know?
At some point Lennon stated (possibly factually) that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus, Chapman (who'd been a huge fan before) obsessed on this for years and finally acted. I will always remember, because I was six and a huge Beatles fan myself, and my dad told me never to trust the "jesus freaks" because they killed John Lennon.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:48 PM
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6. I thought he was just crazy
now I find out he is a Christian on top of that.

And LOL I was 27 in 1980. I should have paid better attention.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:52 PM
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8. He's not a Christian. He SAYS he's a Christian, like DUH-bya. n/t
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:51 PM
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7. The actual quote...
"Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue with that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first - rock and roll or Christianity."

Your dad was right.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:29 PM
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2. I thought John Lennon was
killed by the Devil.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:31 PM
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3. An avid letter-writer...hmm, isn't that sweet
I hope people write back and remind him what a sumbitch he is
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:32 PM
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4. He's a G-d Warrior, like that fat cow from Trading Spouses!!
I wonder if he has a shrill voice like her!
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:35 PM
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5. He underwent a "conversion" when he was in prison. He was a
Devil worshipper before.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:08 AM
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12. That wasn't mentioned in the A&E
biography. He was a Beatles fan and believed everything John said. So of course when he started doing drugs it wasn't his fault, it was John's. If they did drugs it must be right.

He got in trouble due to drugs while visiting his grandmother. He cut his hair short and joined the church.
John became an enemy due to the Christ statement (and John's further explanation didn't wash for him) and also because he was a fake. It was the lyrics "Imagine no possessions" when John was rich and owned fancy homes, proving he was a fake.

He put it all together when he read Catcher in the Rye..and identified with main character.

No talk of devil worship. They did say he had a very seductive mother who talked much about why she only married to have him and would slip into bed with him at night. Sometimes when her husband tried to have sex she'd scream for her son to come in and save her. When the son married and moved she divorced and followed him.

He also abused his wife. But through all this he was strong in his identity as a Christian.
He did think he might be possessed (from drug use times) and got exorcism in jail and then refused more therapy.
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:16 AM
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13. Sorry! I got my murders mixed up!!
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:57 PM
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9. did anyone see interview tonight??????
Gawd...he says he killed Lennon as he was a "phoney"...

whined about a cop cursing him out while holding Lennon in his arms.....

Am so incensed .... have to email Barbara Walters!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:00 AM
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Last I heard, David Berkowitz, the .38 caliber killer
has converted to Christianity, too. Well, it isn't as though he had anything better to do with his time.

:headbang:
rocknation
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:02 AM
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11. Sometimes I think
Edited on Sat Dec-10-05 12:03 AM by FreedomAngel82
with people like that they convert to Christianity not necessarily because they believe (of course only God knows that) but because of all the hype with Jesus will save you from your sins. You're still judged and held accountable. Just because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I can go out and murder someone or steal or whatever the crime and not be held accountable someday when I meet my maker. Know what I mean? We all have karma.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:51 AM
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15. Chapman went to Beruit and Arkansas working for World Vision missions




John W. Hinkley Sr, the father of Ronald Reagan's would-be assassin. was president of the board for World Vision.
World Vision served, in the words of John Judge's words, as a "penetration force" for the CIA
(The Hinkleys and the Bushes had known each other for decades. In the sixties, when Hinkley's oil company was failing, it was bailed out by Bush's Zapata Oil.
World Vision was financed during the Vietnam War by the Agency and given the use of military equipment. According to Judge, the mission ran the Cuban and Thai refugee camps in the United States. Reportedly there were beatings and abuses, and the camps were staffed by Alpha 66 and Omega 7 people, the virulently anti-Castro assets, who were looking for like-minded anti-communists to recruit for intelligence gathering and counter-insurgency.
And as if we haven't had enough already, here's another kick in the head: Mark David Chapman, who eventually shot John Lennon, worked at World Vision's Thai refugee camps in Arkansas. (That both Hinkley and Chapman were fixated upon Catcher in the Rye has suggested to some that the book was used as a trigger for "Manchurian"-like assassin mind control programming.)

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005_02_01_rigorousintuition_archive.html
http://www.john-lennon.net/whoauthorizedtheassassinationofjohnlennon.htm


It depends on how you "convert" to a religion

I await the barbara walters story on this which I'm sure will be airing soon.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:00 AM
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10. John Lennon was murdered by a brainwashed assassin
No doubt he was ordered to never see a shrink, for that very reason. So "finding Jesus" is a good cover.

Bastard is still going to Hell though :grr:
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:18 AM
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14. Another Jailhouse Conversion...
I remember several books and reports on Chapman in the days following the Lennon assasination. All stated his motivations were from reading "Catcher In The Rye". Chapman believed he was Holden Caulfield...I'm sure one of many strange personnas that have haunted his tortured brain. Thus, I wouldn't be surprised that he "found the lord" behind bars....it's the acceptable "little voice" in ones head that seems to be ok to the other people.

Several years ago a family friend went to jail...while he was never religious before, while he was there he would write to us and each letter carried more and more biblical references. Seems the Old Testament was readily available to him and he was spending many hours hiding in there to offset the prison surroundings. After he was released he made the full conversion to Orthodox Judiasm...and has vanished into that "black hole". I rarely hear from him these days and when I do there's so little for us to talk about.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 01:04 AM
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16. This week is also the anniversary of the death of "Dimebag" Darrell Abbott
of Pantera fame. His killer was no less an avenging angel: his career in the Marines cut short by being diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic, he came home to find his favorite band Pantera gone, and its frontman Phil Anselmo trading insults in the music press with former bandmate Dimebag, who'd started a new band called Damageplan.

I wrote about it on my web site at the time, and read it over in preparation for a http://www.rocknation.tv/dimebag2">followup article. Looking over what I'd written a year ago, this jumped out as me as evidence that DU has been a bad influence:
The point is, what can be learned from all this? According to the mainstream media, it was inevitable--the negative, aggressive, ungodly nature of heavy rock music can't help but lead to "a culture of death." Of course, they're too busy capitalizing on the opportunity to demonize rock to notice that Gale was but one individual acting as judge, jury and executioner. It wouldn't have mattered if Pantera played metal, classical, or gospel music--Darrell "ruined" Gale's life by taking away the last thing Gale had to identify with. Not surprisingly, the mainstream media have sidestepped Gale's military background altogether. With the nation at war and a commander in chief loathe to institute a draft, shouldn't questions be raised about recruiting standards, as well as the quality and quantity of followup mental health care that veterans receive?


:headbang:
rocknation
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