Are these latest rounds of executions proof .....?

of how low our society has sunk? No true thinking person could ever approve the state taking the death and calling it something other than murder. It is murder by all of us and we are supposed to feel less guilty because we all have such a small piece of the responsibility. But we are responsible. And the worst of all is the indifference. We cannot let them steal our humanity. We must be against murder by the state.

I don't want the state to murder people in my name. I don't care what they have done. It doesn't bring the original victim back.

Vegence serves no purpose.

I stand with you in maintaining my humanity and bettering the world with progressive measures and attitudes.

The execution of a person by the state is inhumane, thoroughly divorced from meaningful justice, and serves only to regress society to a state that smacks of times in which stoning was thought to a remedy.

Sorry, I see no difference in your argument than I do in fundie anti-abortion arguments.

I do not consider the death penalty to be murder.

Of course it's murder, we just call it CP to make it more antiseptic to the public.

I do not consider the DP murder any more than I consider abortion murder.

One is sentient; the other is not.

Sorry, they gave up the right to be human when they became mass murderers.

It's the same old story; you remove the humanity of others from your eyes just as easily as * does. *sigh*

The fact is HUMANS murder each other. We are not different from the people in prison.

Such a precedent could slowly be applied to other crimes and eventually we could have a real mess.

:sarcasm:

I keep hearing the "murder" word thrown about by those opposed to either.

To strap a fully concious human being to a table, insert an IV needle, open the curtains so they can see the faces of spectators (some there to gloat, some to grieve) and systematically drip poison into their blood stream, is not the same thing as scraping and suctioning a mass of cells with no conciousness out of a womans body. Just not the same!

Well, that's how they get away with it. Once you convince yourself that someone's not human, you can justify treating them however you want. Lots of -isms are justified that way.

But you already knew that.

I am so glad I live in a non-death penalty state. Of course it is understandable if families of victims want vengence, but I like to think the state is there to act rationally not emotinally (current administration and majority party excluded).

or do they only surface when a fetus is about to be removed? Talk about hypocrites. I recall reading at least
100 people who were executed were later declared to be innocent (since 1973 when the DP was reinstored)

I am against pretty much all types of killing, death penalty, killing fetuses, killing animals to eat them, etc (and I don't rip meat out of the hands of people while they are eating or tell women how they should make decisions). Not Christian though, agnostic.

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I don't support the death penalty either.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

"Well, HE sure as hell wasn't compassionate!" is the inevitable response . . .

which is precisely why the rest of us should be . . .

and why it is no longer practiced in any advanced country (yes we are not advanced)

Now for those who are in favor of it, if they had to witness them, or we had executions in the eveneing news, it may actually revolt them...

Yes some of these people who have commited crimes are true animals, but then there are those who were wrongfully convicted... and since we can make mistakes and the system is not perfect... we should get rid of it.

Once a conservative administration comes into power, the first thing to come out of the closet is racism. It becomes socially acceptable. The next thing to leave the closet is selfishness. I've got mine, and I don't care if you get yours. Perhaps the most monstrous thing to leave the closet is cruelty. Capital punishment becomes not only acceptable, but noble. Torture is something that was bred in the closet and now it's found an exit, too.
Being compassionate has become a character defect. Cruel is cool.

The one thing that floors me is NOT ONE of the criminals interviewed found the initial rounding up of the Jews was wrong. They might have caused civil war!! "Would that be better?"

Yea, let's go down this path. Why should we be enlightened? Certainly we have NOTHING to draw parallels from.

"It is murder by all of us and we are supposed to feel less guilty because we all have such a small piece of the responsibility."

Exactly. I wish people who are considered moral leaders (bishops, writers, etc.) would say more about this.

I just don't think "the state" should be killing anybody under any circumstances. I am past the whole argument about is it murder or is it justice--frankly I've started to see that as a distraction.

Our legal system is not perfect. We know this to be true--we know that people can and have been convicted of crimes they did not do--yet we still allow the state to execute in some cases. THAT is why I will never support the idea of state performed executions.

I know some of those Prosecutors and those Public Defenders, and I am here to tell you that not every one of them is dedicated to the pursuit of justice. Many are doing the best they can--and I will never dispute that--but we also know that some are corrupt, lazy or simply inept.

The death penalty is awfully hard to reverse later when the mistakes or misdeeds come to light. This isn't a matter of being released with apologies from the state and getting turned free with a nice cash settlement--this is somebody DEAD--killed by his government. I simply am not ok with that, nor can I ever be.


Laura