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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:45 AM
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I try to practice tolerance but I hate pedophiles.
Edited on Sat Dec-10-05 12:48 AM by helderheid
I hate that I hate them and have even forgiven the one who abused me but I hate pedophiles. Maybe I just hate pedophilia - I don't know but I am so consumed with rage every time I hear about some child being raped and molested.

edit to add that the rage I feel has increased immensely since becoming a mom.

edited further to exclude "as a victim". I hope even those not directly affected by it find it equally despicable.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:46 AM
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1. Don't think you are alone

:hug:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:47 AM
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2. thank you so much
:hug:
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:48 AM
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3. Rage is quite common; so I understand
among abuse victims. My SiL was possibly subjected to it as a toddler. But she is filled with rage. Sadly, because of this I can't stand to be around her.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:50 AM
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5. I'm working on this anger too. I thought I was through it.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:48 AM
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4. They should not be tolerated.
Hate on...
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:53 AM
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8. It shouldn't --- but the hate is destroying me.
How do we fix this???
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 01:25 AM
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20. Lobby to protect kids, write, petition, etc.
And never let the way out in left fielders tell you they paid their debt, and should be allowed to curl up next to your kid in a hurricane shelter, or whatever.

The recitivism rate is extraordinary in that group. You don't get better from being a pedophile.

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:26 AM
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33. I gotta give Oprah props for her work. Hope it doesn't fade away.
People we need to change the laws and protect our children. We have to protect our children
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tamtam Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:56 AM
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11. True that
As a victim of child molestation I can honestly say I have no tolerance for those who prey on innocent children.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:52 AM
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6. As do I.
I don't have a history of abuse, but I have a child. I know it sounds horrible, but I don't believe there's a punishment (barring torture) that's acceptable for people who hurt children.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:53 AM
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7. When someone as innocent
as a child is violated, it is a great tragedy and is absolutely heinous .. had one across the street, was going after his 10 year old daughter. The family split up and moved (thank GOD - I have a four yr old) and the last I heard was that he was only on house arrest....I have checked my county's sex offender's website and it just blow my mind how many with the 'indecent behavior with a minor" charges were paroled immediately. What's wrong with this country in getting these people behind bars? It's one of the worst dysfunctions to treat, rarely does one come away from this and never offends again.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:55 AM
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9. I hate pedophiles, too.
No reason to hate yourself for hating pedophiles. They are the most despicable people on earth.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:55 AM
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10. Tolerance means allowing others their differences, NOT tolerating their...
NOT tolerating their bad acts, not tolerating their hurting people. You don't hurt people, you don't hurt things, other than that, you can tolerate whatever. Hating people who hurt others does NOT mean you are not tolerant, it means you are a humane person. Peace.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:57 AM
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12.  convicted pedophiles
in most cases should never be released into the general population. i agree with you. i take it you are young lady, well i`m 58 and grew up when no one said much other than stay away from someone cause he`s "funny". years of abuse were swept under the rug and no one dared speak out.....at least now they can`t hide anymore because it is no longer acceptable to say or do nothing about it.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 01:05 AM
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16. I'm 30 and have faced sex in the most unnatural way since.
And I have to say it - I get that sometimes sexual abuse begets sexual abuse.

I am a mom to a 5 year old and a 3 year old and my biggest fear of all is them being sexually abused.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:57 AM
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13. what people don't understand is that it is Obsessive compulsive behavior
and in many cases it is not curable.. those people are very broken and cant be fixed.

they must be separated form society

the sad part is that the majority of them are victims of pedophiles.. it is like they got a disease from contact..

by PERMANENTLY separating pedophiles form society the circle can be broken
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bammertheblue Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 12:58 AM
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14. I think
it is perfectly okay to hate pedophiles. It is not something you need to apologize about.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 01:05 AM
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15. you'll have to take a number
if you want a piece of one of those vermin

anyone who hurts kids deserves whatever the worst thing is that could happen to a person.
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 01:07 AM
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17. In my opinion, there is no worse crime.
I have no sympathy or forgiveness in my heart for anyone who would so crassly and selfishly perpetrate a crime of this magnitude on an innocent child. I could forgive the murderer of a loved one or someone who cheated my parents out of their hard-earned lifetime savings, or at least acknowledge that they had paid their debt after serving their time, but my feelings about pedophiles are so visceral that I can't see past them. An act like that is not a crime of passion, but a calculated and self-serving cruelty, the goal of which is base sexual pleasure.

I was never abused myself, so I can't really understand why you would want to forgive, except that perhaps that kind of hatred might tear you apart from the inside, but I think that childhood is the quintessential essence of the human experience, and it is thus the basest form of evil to rob someone of it. I sometimes wonder if it isn't widespread enough (or at least insidious enough) to be the primary source of human misery, if only as a root cause of antisocial behavior.

I firmly believe in law and the requirements of the Constitution mandating the right to due process and prohibiting cruel and unusual punishment. Vigilantism, I know, is not justice, but the vice of vengeance. Nevertheless, woe be to anyone who would ever injure a child of mine in that way. My reaction would be reflexive, immediate, and extremely primal. Some say, "they'd better hope the cops find 'em first!" In my case, it would matter not a whit. I would be the one to whom the mechanism of justice would apply following the crime I would commit in retaliation, and I would not contest the charge or the sentence.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 01:09 AM
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18. thank you so much for this response.
I think the answer is castration.
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 01:26 AM
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21. But since this is in part an act of sexual dominance,
even castrated offenders can reoffend. The reduced libido and inability of a castrated man to have normal sex does not necessarily eliminate the desire to dominate others in this way. In many cases, sexual acts on children can continue, even if not in the typical form of penetration. These are just as damaging to innocent children.

I fear there is no solution, as even the segregation described by others above and the kind of vigilantism I described would simply push the problem further underground, making it more dangerous and enticing to offenders. Even so, I support all efforts to root out offenders wherever they may be found (and yes, that includes simple possession of child pornography), as well as the harshest of punishments that can be handed down to those convicted.

My greatest sympathies lie with those falsely accused of such crimes. These people must live the rest of their lives with the stigma of accusation, and even when exhonorated, they must endure the lingering doubt of those who feel so strongly about the issue, including myself. I think perhaps making such a false accusation is the second worst crime of all.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 01:18 AM
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19. This week we buried my best friends 21 yr old son....My friends' brother-
Edited on Sat Dec-10-05 01:19 AM by Rowdyboy
in-law is serving a 24 year sentence for child molestation. I have no idea if the beautiful child who killed himself was one of the victims, but its very likely considering the circumstances.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 01:27 AM
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22. I'm so sorry to hear that....
I see no reason to extend any sympathy to these monsters.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 01:46 AM
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23. I once considered the man now in prison to be a friend of mine....
but I can't forgive some of the things I now know he's done.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 01:53 AM
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26. You don't have to forgive him.
Just shut him completely out of your life and have no thoughts about him at all. Don't ponder whether you should forgive or not. Just wipe him from your life.

You are too good to be associated with a person who would hurt a little one. :hug:
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 02:08 AM
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27.  He really was a friend once, and I am fanatically loyal. Sadly, I've
been forced to make an exception in this case.

I don't know for a fact that he hurt the child that just died, buts its very likely. I do know that, over the years, he badly hurt his baby sister and a young female cousin, among others. I knew that he, a lawyer in his 40's, hung out with guys WAY too young to be age appropriate. I just assumed that he had enough fucking sense to not bed them. I was wrong.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 02:18 AM
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30. Jesus.
I'm speechless. :cry:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 01:52 AM
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25. Damn, Rowdy.
That breaks my heart. :cry:

:hug: :loveya:
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 02:16 AM
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28. I want to pm you this young man's obituary.....
He had everything in the world in his corner, and pissed it all away. And it just makes me want to cry.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 02:17 AM
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29. Please do.
:hug:

It's ok to cry about losing him. I've been very sad for you, my friend. :cry:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:40 AM
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34. post it here pleae
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:54 PM
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38. Okay, but I need to delete the names for the families privacy
T... C..... 21, died December 3, 2005 at his home. Visitation is 1 p.m. Wednesday in St. Francis Hall at St. Andrew s Episcopal Cathedral. A Eucharist Memorial Mass will be said at 3 p.m. Wednesday at St. Andrew s Episcopal Cathedral. Wright & Ferguson Funeral Home in Jackson is in charge of arrangements.

T...., loved by all who knew him, died too young on December 3, 2005. He was 21. A life long resident of Jackson, he was enrolled as a student at Holmes Community College and worked part time for Lakeland Irrigation. Trey attended St. Andrew s Episcopal School and graduated from high school at New Summit. He attended the National Outdoor Leadership School semester course in which he perfected his skills in wilderness training and developed his knowledge of outdoor life. The course sparked an interest in helping others and he enrolled and completed an Emergency Medical Technician course at Holmes. He was interested in becoming a paramedic and obtaining a Wilderness Certification.

T.... who is mourned by many friends and relatives, loved participating in many types of outdoor activities. He played several team sports such as baseball and cross-country running. He was a charter member of the Capital City Amateur Hockey Association and excelled at ice hockey. During the first season he was the leading goal scorer for all age groups.

T.... easily learned to snow ski in 1995, but his love of skateboarding subsequently led him to become an advanced snowboarder. This past spring with his father and brother at Big Sky, Montana, he landed a full front flip to everyone s amazement.

He pursuits varied widely, and included riding mountain bikes, rock climbing, caving, sailing, sea kayaking, canoeing, and disc golf which he loved to play with friends at Lefluers Park. He also enjoyed bird-watching. His interest in backpacking was first sparked by hiking in 2000 for thirty days in the wilderness area of the Cascade Mountains in Washington State. The following year he traveled to Europe and circumambulated Mont Blanc then hiked the Haute Route from Chamonix to Zermatt, Switzerland. He said, The alpine trails were fun, but easy compared with the Cascades.

T.... enjoyed traveling with his family. He visited most all of the United States, and also traveled abroad. He treks included going to Mexico, Canada, many Caribbean Islands, England, France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Italy, Egypt, and the southeast Asian countries of Thailand and Cambodia. This year during spring break, he and his father went to New York and toured the Brooklyn Botanical Gardens and went to see the Broadway play Spamalot , and also the Hayden Planetarium.

He is survived and mourned by: a loving mother and father, brother; ..............................

The family requests that in lieu of flowers, memorials may be made to either the Audubon Society or the National Outdoor Leadership School.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 01:46 AM
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24. Predators have no place in human society.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:39 AM
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36. And I'm gonna hunt 'em down and kill 'em.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 02:43 AM
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31. Pedophiles have much in common with the current administration.
For example, both thrive on secrecy.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 03:55 AM
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32. I'd kill every pedophile
That exists if I could do it accurately and quickly. Every rapist.Every torturer,every sociopath on Earth..Eliminate them.
Crimes of domination,violation of consent, abuse of trust and abuse of power are the results of deliberate ,planned out choices perpetrators made to exploit others and victimize them..

There is no excuses for some crimes.

Judgment,BOUNDARIES and discernment of people's characters choices and actions are required of all of us,we have to not by stand or victimize or become a perpetrator or TOLERATE perpetrators if we want to live in a SANE society together.

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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:38 AM
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35. Gee, dude, just make sure you get the right list...
...you angel of death, you.
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 02:32 AM
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37. I more pity than hate them.
I think pedophilia is a mental illness more than anything else. I think it's an outreach of our horribly sexually-repressed culture, which teaches people everything about sex is horrible and wrong while at the same time teaching that sex is great and that people who don't have it all the time are losers. The surest way of breaking someone's mind is to tell them two contradictory things at once. Our high rate of citizens who are pedophiles or have some other sexual dysfunction is therefore disturbingly high.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:59 PM
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39. I see them as a serious social problem that stems from
generations of abuse, ignorance, ism's, denial, lack of funding for detection, treatment and support to families.
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DaveColorado Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 02:04 PM
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40. I'm a hardcore lib, and I'm with you on that
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