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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:06 AM
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George W Bush is a great leader like....
Adolf Hitler and Uncle Joe Stalin were "great" leaders. They were not afraid to do great immoral deeds and to divide their people in the process. Their followers marched behind them mostly out of fear, moreso than respect. They were power-hungry megalomaniacs. They were not stable individuals. They practiced the Big Lie because people were more inclined to believe a Big Lie than a small lie. It would be so incredible that it could not be disbelieved. After all, we are the number one superpower in the world and we have a right to spread democracy wherever we wish....
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:08 AM
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1. Yeah, but I'm challenged over that statement
As much as I can't stand Bush and as much as I agree that he is dividing this nation, Bush has yet to wipe out millions of people. Thousands yes, with the Iraq war, but he has not done mass-murder killings like both Hilter and Stalin have done.

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:11 AM
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2. Just give him time....
He hasn't had the opportunity. But he's got three more years...
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:16 AM
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3. 3 more years legally
who knows how many more after that?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:20 AM
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4. The 22nd Amendment?
But that's only a "piece of paper"...???
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:23 AM
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6. I don't think he'll manage to kill 16million people in that time
unless the asshole manages to hit the "Big Red Button" then even I know I was woefully wrong. (16million is the given count that 6million were killed by HIlter and 10million were killed by Stalin. I'm sure the number is woefully undercounted in light of what those 2 did)
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:59 AM
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10. The Nazi concentration camps "disposed" of approximately 12 million.....
...people, 6 million Jews and 6 million from a variety of other ethnic backgrounds to include Gypsies, Poles, Russians, and others. That doesn't count the death toll from the Nazi death squads that followed the German Army into the old Soviet Union in 1941. The German Army itself accounted for close to 20 million Russians during WWII...12 million of whom were military casualties. How many other people died in Europe as a result of Hitler's policies in Europe? Probably another 5 million. So, we're talking about close to 38 million people dying as a result of Hitler and Hitler's policies.

Stalin's policies accounted for close to 10 million people alone during 1932-1933 when the Soviets closed the Ukrainian borders and allowed the Ukrainians to exhaust their own food supplies and starve to death. Additionally, Stalin's gulags and firing squads were responsible for the military officer corps purges in the mid-to-late 1930s that almost fatally weakened the Soviet Army. Meanwhile, Stalin's gulags "processed" nearly 1 million Russians per year, with a slow-down to about half a million per year from 1941-1945 during WWII. After WWII, the gulags returned to the pre-war "processing" standard of 1 million per year until Stalin's death in 1953. So, we're talking about approximately 35 million people that can be attributed directly to Stalin and his policies.

Iraq's pre-invasion population was close to 20 million. How many have died as a result of this illegal and immoral invasion? We're not counting just those that have died as a direct use of U. S. weapon systems...how many have died because of disease, starvation, and lack of medical supplies?

How many Afghans have died for the same reasons?

Iran has close to 60 million people, and a standing army of about 4 million. Based on the NeoCon Junta's statement that they are willing to use nuclear weapons in a preemptive strike, how many Iranians will die if the NeoCons are allowed to use that option?

Syria has close to 10 million people...how many will die if the NeoCons use a first-strike nuclear option on them, too?

If the NeoCons are allowed to use the nuclear option, how long will it take for well over 16 million Middle Easterners to die?

Don't underestimate Herr Busch and his fellow NeoCons. They are rightwing, fascist, fanatics, and will do anything to further their own agenda.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:25 AM
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7. the thing is, hitler and stalin were both monsters aside from the killings
the allies did not go to war against hitler out of compassion for the jews and the gypsies. it was his attempts to impose his favorite type of government on other sovereign nations that made the rest of the world decide he had to go.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:40 AM
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8. again both hitler and stalin were products of their history
this goes for mao too....to put it bluntly, stalin and hitler etc emerged due to circumstances they never really controlled, and once they were in control, both were madmen to some extent...history has made these tyrants cartoonish bad guys, disregarding such factors as a) the germans transporting lenin across germany during ww1 in a sealed car so he could go to the new 'ussr' and hijack the revolution from the democratic socialist/communists then running russia or b) british sealord winston churchill ordering the lusitania to sail in u boat infested waters w/out excort resulting in her sinking, 2 years later the US pro war party, which was mainly the dulles brothers' uncle robert lansing, used the lusitania to demonize the germans, despite fact the lusitania was routinely carrying war materials to england- hitler obviously knew of the lusitania, and the sense of helpless anger undoubtedly affected how he acted when he was powerful.
bush, otoh, is just a cheap crook in the mighty mouse mold, created out of whole cloth, aided and abetted, and maintained despite endless crimes, by a pigmedia which the repukes seem to have blackmailed(?) or paid off
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:22 AM
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9. Hitler became Chancellor of Germany in 1934, and it wasn't until 1942,....
...eight years later, that the so-called "Final Solution" to eliminate the Jews in Europe was formally signed into existence. The Nazi concentration camps had started out small, and were scattered throughout eastern Europe. Once the "Final Solution" was formalized, some of the smaller camps were enlarged, while larger camp complexes like Auschwitz were ordered to be built as "Death Camps".

The pseudo-science of "eugenics" has been a favorite topic of conversation among the Anerican ultra-rightwing since the 1920s. Prescott Bush, the father of GHWB, and grandfather of Herr Busch, was a major believer in eugenics...and there were many other supporters among the so-called American elite. The Nazis took eugenics and made it one of the underpinnings of the program they used to eliminate the retarded and mentally ill. It was just a short jump from that point in time to the building of the concentration/death camps.

As a director in Herbert Walker's Union Bank, Prescott Bush participated in the processing of loans to Nazi Germany from 1934 until they were shut down by the U. S. Government in 1942, almost a year after the U. S. found itself at war with both Japan and Germany. Those loans were used primarily in the construction of Auschwitz. One could argue that the Bush Family has been in the "Final Solution" business since 1934.

How many deaths around the world could be laid at the feet of Poppy Bush? If you do any reading about the CIA and documents linking Poppy to the CIA as far back as the early 1950s, you'll understand that he was involved in some of America's most heinous actions in the Caribbean, Central America, South America, and Southeast Asia. And that doesn't even include his probable involvement with domestic assassinations to include that of JFK.

Herr Busch and the rest of his NeoCon Junta have been in power for only five years. During that time, they have managed to consolidate their power by the passage of the Patriot Act. There are already secret "camps" around the world that the NeoCons are using to "process" the "disappeared". The extreme irony of having one or more "camps" in Poland appears to be lost on most Americans.

Are there "camps" being operated the mainland U. S., and how would we know if there were? Are U. S. citizens being "disappeared" into the NeoCon Gulag...and again, how would we know if they are?

Do you want to give Herr Busch and the NeoCons another three years to see what they can do if left unchecked? They are already waving the sword at Syria and Iran...how many more Muslims and Americans will lose their lives in the Middle East to fuel the illegal and immoral NeoCon wars of aggression?

Yes, Herr Busch is more than capable of becoming another Hitler and/or Stalin...it's just a matter of time if he and the rest of the NeoCons are allowed to continue unchecked.
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:22 AM
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5. Those two are too GRANDIOSE for B*shit...he's more like
this guy


A petty, strutting, arrogant, vile little Mussolini-wannabe. I only hope B*shit meets the same fitting end.
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