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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:11 AM
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Did Rove FORGE the Email To Hadley Re: His Conversation W/ Cooper?
Good article by Jason Leopold:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/120905I.shtml

Luskin speaks to V. Novak and becomes aware that Cooper is going to tell the GJ that Rove was his source way before Plame's name became public. It is only then that Rove finds the email to Hadley that supposedly exonerates him. This is way after the WH was ordered to turn over such things. The coversation recounted in the email is nothing like what Cooper testified. Is it possible the email is a forgery?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:14 AM
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1. When you have the entire federal govt at your disposal, anything...
...is possible, including forging emails. :(
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:15 AM
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3. Yup, If Anyone COULD Do It
And make it look real, then Rove could.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:14 AM
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2. Rove? Forgery? Sir, how could you possibly think KKKarl would stoop
to something that low???????????

:rofl:
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:16 AM
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4. Indeed, It's Precisely His M.O.
It's definitely something he would try to do if he thought he could.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:17 AM
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5. Good question. But how could he forge the date and time on it?
Would it be possible to forge the date and time on an e-mail in a system as huge as that of the White House? I really don't think so. But I never could understand why the fact that Rove did not mention talking about Plame to Hadley would be significant. It seems irrelevant to me.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:19 AM
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6. If Anyone Has The Resources and Ability To Do It
It would be Rove. But I don't know, that's why I'm asking. Is it possible? What would it take? I don't know enough about the technicalitie's involved in doing something like that.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:21 AM
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10. yeah--that would be the trick--if he even knows about such things
but remember, he has a connection to a teen hacker reform school run by Jeb in Florida.That's how they won the election in 2004. Remeber that pic of Rove on election night, working at the computer?

Maybe it could be done.

Or this could be his last mistake.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:22 AM
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11. You could change the date on YOUR computer, but it would still
show up in the system as being transmitted on the date you actually did it. It's tricky...I think if it is forged, he's desperate.

He would have been better off doing a hand-written memo; that's a bit harder to prove (though they can find other memos from the same timeframe, and compare the paper to see if it came from the same notepad, the ink, and so on). The minute you put pen to paper, or hit the keyboard, ya gotta watch it--they have ways of figuring that stuff out.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:25 AM
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13. But W/ His Resources and Access
Couldn't he also get into the system itself and change things there as well? As long as he had someone w/ the right skill, I'm sure Rove could get the access to get the hacker in to change whatever needed to be changed? :shrug:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:27 AM
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15. But then, would there not be some sort of footprint, even if it simply
indicated that changes were made? I think it would be difficult to do it invisibly...but I am not a computer expert, never mind a hacker!
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:28 AM
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17. Yeah, I Don't Know
Definitely difficult, but impossible? :shrug:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:19 AM
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7. That is a risky game he's playing, if it is a fake
He'd have to clue someone else in, in order to do it--I don't think he's sufficiently sophisticated in the whole computer game to do it on his own. Those forensic guys at the Feebs are pretty good at sussing that kind of stuff out.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:21 AM
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9. Oh, No Doubt Rove Wouldn't Do It Himself
But I'm sure he's got some of the best tech people around at his disposal who COULD do something like that. :shrug:

Indeed, it is risky, but is it possible? What would it take?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:25 AM
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14. Problem there is, the minute you involve another person, you are dealing
with a potential witness who could be flipped, and a conspiracy charge.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:27 AM
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16. Yeah, But There Are Ways Of Keeping Someone Quiet
That Rove is very familiar w/ I'm sure. It would be a gamble for sure, but it would fit his M.O.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:20 AM
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8. That's possible, but Fitz also has the Feds at HIS disposal.
You can get very creative with emails/dates/originators and such, but it's all tracable by the right expert. If they did try to forge or back date emails, that would be every bit as stupid as Nixon taping all his conversations. Sometimes arrogance of power causes people to think they CAN'T get caught!
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:23 AM
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12. Yup, It Would Be A Big Gamble
But it's just the sort of thing I could see Rove doing out of desperation.

I don't know enough about the technicalities involved, but maybe someone else does and could elaborate. Is it possible in any way to do something like this and erase all traces that it was done? Or is that not possible and there would be still SOME trace that it was done? :shrug:
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:39 AM
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18. EDiscovery of the email server would probably resolve the issue;
Rove would have to enlist an IT department to cover that trail.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:43 AM
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19. Would It Definitely Take More Than One Person
To cover the trail? I really don't know much about this...

Would an EDiscovery only happen if something like this was suspected? And would it definitely find traces? So could Rove be banking on an EDiscover NOT happening? Or that his hacker(s) are very good and COULD cover the trail? Is that truly possible?
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