Help!

I need help refuting some dumbass's remark that members of both parties voted FOR the Iraq war and I need to get over it :mad: I know they did NOT vote FOR the war but gave * war powers or some such dumb thing. Please? Anyone?

Thanks in advance,
Jenn

Ask them if they think the 2100+ familes of the dead American soldiers should also buck-up and "get over it?"

Then, kick him in the nuts! :rofl:

they didn't vote to invade Iraq. If you do a search on IWR, you should get plenty of information.

but essentially they gave bush* a blank check to go and invade

the rational was that bush* needed some "muscle" (i.e. threat of military action) to get Saddam to come clean about WMDs. Supposedly bush* would only use it if diplomatic efforts failed.

Most did not read past the cover page of the resolution before voting. Therefore bush* did not mislead - they mis-followed.

I just stated to this idiot congress gave dumbass the power to use our military AFTER ALL OTHER AVENUES WERE EXHAUSTED and proceeded to tell him to get over it...jerk.

Thanks again. I knew I could count on my fellow DUer's :hug:

Jenn

I believe that the vote was to put inspectors back into that sad, defenseless country. If they found something, then invading Poland may/may not have to be undertaken. Oh wait, that was Adolf Hitler I was thinking of. Of course the country in question here is Iraq. And Bush is merely Hitler-esque.

Also, the UN was suppose to vote again, but at the last minute, the Fuhrer said Polish troops were invading a radio station, so we had to attack the Saber-armed poles on their horses with our panzer tanks.

Oh geez, there I go again.

The UN was suppose to vote again, after Blix came back and said he found nothing, but the little monkey Bush had other people's sons and daughters invade the country before the UN could vote.

Also, the cowards in Congress can be blamed for shirking their constitutionally mandated obligation to vote on war. They didn't vote for war, and that makes them real skunks. However, that might be excusable someday, because the evil fascists had the country so screwed up in the head and psychologically abused, that very few people were thinking clearly. Plus Colin Powell lied his ass off.

Here's the FACTS.

The vote in Congress was not authorizing the President for war. It was not a resolution taken under the "War Powers Act" and it was not Congress excercising their Constitutional duty to declare war. This is evidenced by the fact that we never did officially declare war on Iraq. Only then could it be said that anyone voted "for the war."

What the Congress voted for was a non-binding resolution authorizing the President to use force in Iraq IF ALL OTHER AVENUES FAILED including weapons inspectors, United Nations, NATO, and diplomatic negotiations.

Since no diplomatic relations were attempted and Bush yanked the weapons inspectors (since they found nothing), and the UN was snookered by Powell's speech and the waving of a fake vial of "anthrax" around (he has since admitted his speech was full of lies), then Bush reneged on his promise to exhaust all avenues before commencing with "Shock and Awe."

In fact, the troops were on their way to Kuwait before the Congress even voted.

So, the Democrats, after hearing cooked up evidence (they did not see the same as Bush did, they saw the doctored version), and after agreeing that force could be used after all avenues were exhausted, did vote for the resolution.

They should have never trusted Bush to begin with.

The GOPhers fell all over themselves in composing contrived language in the Iraq War Resolution that harped on working through the UN, use of force as a last resort, and emphasized the "imminent threat" posed by Iraq. This was deliberately designed to set up an attack scenario against any politician with the temerity to not make the US "secure." It was blatant and transparent. Twenty-two cowardly Democratic Senators climbed on board, dumping the baggage of constitutionality and international law, hoping they could just blame Bush* in any aftermath.

Many of us were appalled at the blatant hypocrisy ... but like cows to the slaughter, twenty-two Quisling Senators mooed and shuffled up the ramp.

Those twenty-two deserve all that condemnation they get, along with the criminal fascist right. Appeasement and 'trust' have never worked with fascists. Never.

No one voted for war, but Bush authorized it

The White House spin is making much of the Democrats who voted for this war and are now claiming we shouldn't have done it.

First of all, no congressional Democrat, or Republican for that matter, voted for this war, nor were they ever given a chance to. What was voted on and approved was authority for the president to use military force in Iraq if he deemed fit, which authority the president himself asked for under the guise of enhancing his credibility in forcing from Iraq the concessions we and the United Nations were asking for. Actual authorization for military action against Iraq, however, came from President George W. Bush and no other.

So the Republicans need to get off it. Nobody voted for the war with Iraq. The decision to go to war, to assert military force, was made solely and entirely in the White House.

And incidentally, the assertion that legislators had access to exactly the same intelligence as the White House is flatly absurd.

All of the intelligence agencies of import are part of the Executive Branch. They determine what information is relevant, what information is focused on and how that information is presented and documented. And you can bet those decisions are made in consultation with the White House. To assert that the White House didn't have any additional insight into what was really going on is absurd.

Albert R. Fillion, Ypsilanti