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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 08:19 PM
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Why Torture Doesn't Work - By Brig. Gen. David R. Irvine
http://www.alternet.org/rights/28585/?comments=view&cID=60729&pID=58479

When the Wall Street Journal came out in favor of abusive interrogation, it turned a blind eye on reason in favor of supporting the White House line.

Remarkably, of the nation's major newspapers, only the Wall Street Journal has editorialized in support of torture as a useful tool of American intelligence policy. Regrettably, that position does a huge disservice to the nation and its soldiers. There are really only three issues in this debate, and the Journal carefully turned a blind eye to all three: (1) is torture reliable, (2) is it consistent with America's values and Constitution, and (3) does it best serve our national interests?

No one has yet offered any validated evidence that torture produces reliable intelligence. While torture apologists frequently make the claim that torture saves lives, that assertion is directly contradicted by many Army, FBI, and CIA professionals who have actually interrogated al Qaeda captives. Exhibit A is the torture-extracted confession of Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, an al Qaeda captive who told the CIA in 2001, having been "rendered" to the tender mercies of Egypt, that Saddam Hussein had trained al Qaeda to use WMD. It appears that this confession was the only information upon which, in late 2002, the president, the vice president, and the secretary of state repeatedly claimed that "credible evidence" supported that claim, even though a now-declassified Defense Intelligence Agency report from February 2002 questioned the reliability of the confession because it was likely obtained under torture. In January 2004, al-Libi recanted his "confession," and a month later, the CIA recalled all intelligence reports based on his statements.

Exhibit B is the case of Manadel al-Jamadi, an Iraqi deemed a "high-value" target by the CIA. After being beaten to an extent that he had several broken ribs, he was subjected to a form of crucifixion known as "Palestinian hanging." Forty-five minutes later, he was dead, never having revealed whatever vital, ticking-bomb information his American interrogator was seeking.

If there is reliable evidence that torture has, in fact, interrupted ticking time bombs and saved lives, the gravity of the crisis created by the administration's free-wheeling torture policy demands straight answers which can be weighed and evaluated by a bipartisan, blue-ribbon commission whose membership might include interrogators, jurists, theologians, national security specialists, military leaders, and political leaders. The damage to our national interests and the dismal record of war candor by this administration has made "trust us" an insufficient justification for such a profound change in American law and moral values.

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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:38 PM
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1. "He was willing to say whatever they wanted him to say."
(alleged Padilla accomplice)

"I refused to talk in Karachi until they gave me a lawyer," Muhammad said, according to Smith's notes of their meetings.

FBI agents replied, "The law has been changed. There are no lawyers. You can cooperate the easy way or the hard way," Muhammad told his lawyer.

..."He was tortured with razor blades to his genitals," Smith said. "My client, who is not stupid, was willing to say whatever they wanted him to say."



Pentagon IDs suspected terror accomplice
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/12/09/padilla.accomplice/
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