What is your most unpopular DU view?

I've gotten heat for supporting Israel,eating meat,beinga Catholic,and banning the death penalty,and being for gun control. Anyone that says DU are like dittoheads havn't been in GD.

Burgers,steaks,chops,fish,shrimps,it just is all so gooood.

Are there any meat flavored veggies out there?

nt

1: the bombs in London were MIHOP and

2: organic virgin coconut oil does not raise cholesterol. Research shows that replacing other cooking oils with virgin coconut oil generally creates a more favorable HDL/LDL ratio. This oil has antiviral, antibacterial, antimicrobial, and antiprotozoal properties and, like all whole foods, contains nutrients for a healthy body. It also speeds up the metabolism.I was skeptical and called my doctor (an MD) and was told that it was perfectly safe and would not affect my cholesterol one way or the other. I just started using it for my sluggish thyroid and candida. There is research going on now about it being used against bird flu since it has been successful against AIDS.

Edited to add my doctor's name:

Dr. Diane Farley-Jones, MD

But I won't.

nt

n/t

Edited to add that I called my doctor ( Dr. Diane Farley-Jones, M.D. ) and she confirmed it would not affect my cholesterol and that it was a healthy oil.
Check this out:

The Healing Miracles of Coconut Oil
by Bruce Fife, N.D.


Book Summary

If there was an oil you could use for your daily cooking needs that helped protect you from heart disease, cancer, and other degenerative conditions, improved your digestion, strengthened your immune system, and helped you lose excess weight, would you be interested?

No such oils exists you say? Not so! There is an oil that can do all this and more. No, it's not olive oil, it's not canola oil, or safflower oil or any of the oils commonly used for culinary purposes. It's not flaxseed oil, evening primrose oil, or any of the oils sold as dietary supplements. It's not rare or exotic. It's ordinary coconut oil.

But wait, isn't coconut oil a saturated fat? And isn't saturated fat bad? because coconut oil is primarily a saturated oil, it has been blindly labeled as bad. It is lumped right along with beef fat and lard with the assumption that they all carry the same health risks. However, researchers have clearly shown that the oil from coconuts, a plant source, acts differently than the saturated fat from animal sources. The oil from coconuts is unique in nature and provides many health benefits obtainable from no other source.

What Coconut Oil DOES NOT Do: * Does not contain cholesterol. * Does not increase blood cholesterol level. * Does not promote platelet stickiness which leads to blood clot formation. * Does not contribute to atherosclerosis or heart disease. * Does not promote cancer or any other degenerative disease. * Does not contribute to weight problems.

What Coconut Oil DOES Do: * Reduces risk of atherosclerosis and related illnesses. * reduces risk of cancer and other degenerative conditions. * Helps prevent bacterial, viral, and fungal (including yeast) infections. * Supports immune system function. * Helps prevent osteoporosis. * Helps control diabetes. * Promotes weight loss. * Supports healthy metabolic function. * Provides an immediate source of energy. * Supplies fewer calories than other fats. * Supplies important nutrients necessary for good health. * Improves digestion and nutrient absorption. * Has a mild delicate flavor. * Is highly resistant to spoilage (long shelf life. * Is heat resistant (the healthiest oil for cooking. * Helps keep skin soft and smooth. * Helps prevent premature aging and wrinkling of the skin. * Helps protect against skin cancer and other blemishes.

As unbelievable as it sounds, the oil in coconuts has been found to aid the body in destroying dozens of harmful viruses including hepatitis C, herpes, and HIV. Coconut oil has been called the healthiest dietary oil on earth. If you're not using coconut oil for your daily cooking and body care needs you're missing out on one of nature's most amazing health products. In this book you will discover the many healing miracles of coconut oil. Each health benefit is explained and fully documented by scientific research.

"Dr. Bruce Fife should be commended for bringing together in this very readable book the positive health benefits of coconut oil. The inquiring reader will have a new and more balanced view of the role of fat and especially saturated fats in our diet."--Jon Kabara, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus, Michigan State University


http://news.inq7.net/opinion/index.php?index=2&story_id=55353&col=82

I got this link while researching the cholesterol debate and came across a forum for those infected with HIV who are using VCO to fight the virus (with success!). One post there also mentioned his LDL DROPPED. Interesting...

A bit from the article:

Human Face : VCO as bird flu remedy?

First posted 04:59am (Mla time) Nov 03, 2005
By Ma. Ceres P. Doyo
Inquirer News Service



Editor's Note: Published on Page A13 of the November 3, 2005 issue of the Philippine Daily Inquirer


NEWS FLASH.

If coconut oil has proven effective for HIV-AIDS cases, it might also be good as a H5N1 (bird flu) remedy. Studies must now be made on the oil's efficacy against this new disease that threatens to become a worldwide epidemic.

This urgent proposal came from Dr. Conrado S. Dayrit who helped make virgin coconut oil (VCO) a popular dietary supplement and medicine here and abroad and helped remove it from the "bad oil" list.

Dayrit, hale and active at 86, is a known pharmacologist, cardiologist, internist, science researcher, author and University of the Philippines professor emeritus. He was former president of the National Academy of Science and Technology, the highest scientific body in the country.

The team Dayrit directed in the early 1990s proved that HIV-AIDS cases responded to coconut oil. The highly promising results are now the bases for continued trials meant to alleviate the suffering of millions of HIV-AIDS patients in many countries, especially those in Africa.

<snip>

will go buy some.thanks

...and quite fascinating. Can you offer up any more links as to the benifits of coconut oil?
I would like to read more about this.

It can cause you to lose a lot of weight too,
as its not very nutritious. :-)

I'll have a look out for this coconut oil... sounds good.

I love mixing oils to give a food a slightly different aroma.
I've discovered macadamia nut oil as a secret ingredient in baking
and other recipies that call for an oil, and coconut smell would
be outstanding with some dihes... baked fish, hmmm thanks for
that inspiration on oil!

I thought it was the "partially hydrogenated" coconut oil that was a problem, not the normal stuff. Is anyone saying it's a problem in its natural state?

I haven't had a cold in years. Love that coconut. :-)

Mountain Bars. THEN Almond Joys. York Peppermint Patties in a pinch. Macaroons maybe work.

THEN Almond Joy.

hee hee!

is the Coltrane of rock music :-)

just a couple

Actually, Nader isn't the Devil, but I still think he's an asshole.

I'm with you on Jerry, Tho.

keep on walkin', don't you stand and wait..

of course I had to check out your blog,
:thumbsup:

That thing's got cobwebs, it's been so long since I've put anything meaningful down there.

I've been seriously neglectful in that regard. Soon, I swear.

and I think immediate withdrawal from Iraq may be a bad idea...but of course being that I am a thinking person, all views are subject to change in the light of new RELEVANT information.:smoke:

I'm an out-of-the-closet Throaty McHusky fan (Rita Cosby is sexy) and that isn't winning me any accolades. :-)

She's just so, ummmm.... BushieBottie... you know?

Which makes her way less attractive than she could be.

Of course, I'm a heterosexual female, so I don't know much in these matters. :shrug:

You just made me throw up a little :)

don't make babies. It is not your RIGHT to have children that someone else has to support

JK, I agree completely.

Flame away.

Things in life change - what about unforseen circumstances? - what is the cutoff amount you would impose in terms of "afford" them? I mean food, clothing, shelter? Ivy league education? What if they are born with unforseen medical issues? How would you regulate such a system? (guess I must have missed these DU conversations along the way)

that is not what I am referring to. While waiting for a bus today I start talking to a 22 year old. He has one more year left of school, his live in girlfriend has already graduated. They are pregnant! She makes $23K and he makes $7.50/hour. How are they going to support a child? He had no idea how much day care was, diapers or formula. They child is going to pay the price of their youthful irresponsibility

So what is the cutoff point, then? Who decides?

Nobody knows what having a baby is going to be like before they have one.

People make do. Why are you angry at total strangers for having a baby?

Plenty of rich children "pay the price" for their parents' irresponsiblity, and plenty of working class folks raise babies without all the geegaws and fancy stuff (and without formula, either, may I add) and do just fine.

no sense talking about it.

One should know what they can handle. If they're not sure what they can handle, they're not ready for kids. When you can clearly and objectively decide what can be handled, and what can't be, then you're ready for kids.
The Professor

because I would like to explore this more and like I said I haven't come across this topic here before - and it is certainly worth a dialog.

I can see where you are coming from, but I also know the reality of human reproduction and I just don't see much of a way to regulate these things, nevermind the nightmare of deciding the various cutoff points, rewards/punishments etc.

Edit to add I started one go here to continue this topic:

the right to bear children

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5578536

again, we're talking about a CHOICE issue. What business is it of yours??

Shit happens.

Of course, I think the DP should only be applied if the person has one of the following traits:

A cannibal
Murders by Decapitation or Dismemberment
Tortures the victim
Murders Children
Goes on a killing spree
Has no sense of remorse for what happened
Displays extreme bias, Racism, Religious Extremism, etc. was a factor in the murder(s)

Swede! You gonna end up with a thread full of flames. LOL

Mine has to be simply being a lesbian. Boy have I been flamed by some for wanting the same rights they enjoy.

Shit,that is just not right. If you can't be one here,where can you be one?

...there are some who would prefer we are not seen or heard (right here on DU.) Just so long as our votes continue to go for the Dem's that's ok. They are the same ones who like to blame the queer community for every election loss in the last 5 years.

Much appreciated. :)

because if you got married it would threaten my marriage. I forget how.

Plus there is AIDS to consider. You lesbians get all uppity about how God likes you better because you have the lowest rate of AIDS.

I forget what else. But I'm sure it's really a threat. Oh I know. Your agenda. There can only be so many agendas in the world and I hear gay people like them and that would lead to disorganized meetings everywhere because then they would have no agendas.

I mean obviously you seem to be saying that all people are due respect. That's just wild. What kind of world would it be if we didn't judge each other, if all people were worthy of rights and respect. It's a slippery slope you know. If that happened we might be kind to each other, negotiate differences instead of bombing each other, we might make sure everyone has medical care and food and shelter, we might look out for the common good.
That us clearly dangerous.

You got my support.

I would direct you to threads where queers have come under awful attack, but not worth it, ya know?

I cannot walk in your shoes,but I've got your back on DU f.

...we all walk in each others shoes the moment any of us feel pain caused by hateful people.

Thanks. :)

I have always connected with the outcasts,even thoug I was in the In crowd. Still do to this day.

I'm pro-choice, but I think the particular choice oughtta be generally discouraged unless completely necessary.

Otherwise a flamin' lib.

tell you that you can't.

I think the majority of Americans agree with Bill Clinton--abortion should be legal but rare.

If I were Queen of Everything, all high schools would have a clinic that would dispense birth control and information to anyone who needed/wanted it.

there's not a whole lot of difference between "mainstream" and "centrist", is there?

:popcorn:

And debunking many scientifically invalid arguments.

For example, many people claim that humans evolved to be herbivores. Sorry, that's just not true.

Wasn't busting marrow out of scavenged bones, left by bigger fiercer 4-legged predators, one of the first recorded uses of tools by proto-peoples?
So wouldn't that lead one to reason that meat made us smarter?;-)

They wouldn't survive long otherwise.

--IMM

Plus I also like to hunt my own food. Dead is dead is dead. If you eat meat, something must die. I always wonder why people think a deer or elk values its life more than a chicken or a cow.

All liberal positions.

....corporatists, moderates and DLCers really want liberal/progressives in the Party and not just to use them for their vote....no wait, I'm mean the opposite....

I think Michelle Malkin is hot, in an evil demonic temptress sort of way. :yoiks:

But only once,and I wouldn't really enjoy it.

I've never been that into blondes.

she would snap like a fucking twig!!! Someone should give that bitch the Gitmo feeding treatment.:evilgrin:

but Coulter- excuse me, must go puke.

Then I'd spank her for being such a vile, judgemental bitch!

I am shocked!

just wondering.

Or was that sarcasm?

she's cute, until you realize how nasty and hateful she is. As for "doing" Coulter, No way, ugh, I'm a straight male and I don't do pre-op Transgendered..

is part of a female's reproductive equipment. That word is unpopular here, although calling * a "jug eared prick" seems okay. Go figure.

That's where the objection comes from. My nethers should have to share nothing with her, not even a pejorative term.

Hey, somebody had to say it. :evilgrin:

variety of opinions,which was what you were after to begin with. Different viewpoints? Absolutely. It's all been good.

Kidding. :)

I love the exchange of idea here too.

Ok, sometimes some things get me :grr: , but even then I think the exchange is worthwhile.

I believe medication can be a useful way to treat (fill in disease here), rather than relying on the advice posted by anonymous people on DU who haven't shown me the medical degrees on their walls.

I don't create nicknames for fundamentalists, or even automatically describe people of identifiable faiths as fundamentalists.

I'm pro-choice and pro-contraception but still uncomfortable with abortion. That said, I do believe the decision should rest with the woman and her medical caregivers.

I believe that extremely judgmental and militant atheists and agnostics really are basically the same, emotionally speaking, as the groups (fill in the denominations) they revile.

I'm not keeping a list of all the Democrats I'm going to throw out of the party.

Conspiracy theories? Please. There's stupidity, incompetence, cruelty, outright plotting, and, of course, Grover Norquist, but I haven't much use for most conspiracy theories.

And so on.

But I'm just as angry as anyone else here.

and no I am not afraid of my own sexuality, thank you very much. I think stripping in sleazy bars is degrading to both men and women.

the fact you make more money makes it no less degrading

I see what you're saying, of course. My original comment was meant with a dose of irony that probably didn't come through. Sorry about that...

Said she felt very degraded.

Strippers and their clients alike.

(Depending on the definition of degradation) Sexual preference can be remarkably detailed.

I guess he was into that, because then he wouldn't leave. Ick.

Heard of a woman who routinely verbally abused a doctor in exchange for pharmaceutical prescriptions.

To each...

Just don't hurt someone unless they want it, and leave the kids out of it.

Oh, and wash your hands when you're done. ;-)

I feel exactly the same!!! I am so glad someone else thinks that.

Certainly there's a flame war waiting in any of the following areas:

1) Smoking bans
2) Immigration
3) How pushy can theists/atheists be without being called pushy?
4) As Colbert so aptly put it "named Democrats tend to poll worse than Unnamed Democrats."
5) Dark/jaded/punk humor and whether it makes DU "look bad?"

But to me, unpopular means not that it gets flamed, because usually flames mean that there are two sides, both looking for a fight, and anything that attracts them is popular with one of the two sides.

Unpopular is when drops like a rock. Like when I posted a completely reasonable solution to #1 in prime time right alongside another thread that was just more ranting from one side or the other. It got like 20 replies, the other turned into a 200 reply festival.

1. Thimerosal has not been shown to have any causative relation to autism.

2. It's not the responsibility of the average consumer to wage war against Wal*Mart.

on that autism bullshit.

And I shop at WalMart.

Considering the consumer is what keeps Wal Mart where it is and maintains the funding for it to continue their harmful practices.

Even if you and I and everyone we know stopped shopping at Wal*Mart, it wouldn't make an iota of difference. The company is so huge, and its profits are so enormous, that no consumer-organized boycott has a hope of making even a dent. At best, we might have a tiny negative effect on one department of a single store, but the corporation would live on unharmed. Only a top-down strategy can have any hope of changing the company's course.

That, or some internal self-destruct...

While I'm on the subject, anyone serious about a boycott needs to verify that they're also planning to boycott every company that sells merchandise through Wal*Mart.

I could care less if Wal Mart is in business. That's fine, they have a right to do business, we're supposedly a free society. I'm just saying to use your consumer power selectively and consciously. If a company engages in practices that run counter to one's concepts of fair play and social justice, withdraw your support for such a company. Any business within a capitalist society is a slave to the bottomline. If that bottomline is effected enough, the top down reform you speak of my then begin to take shape as the company begins to dissect what is at the root of such a decline in the bottomline profit margin. Simple ecomnomics and business practice.

And as far a other companies go? I already take note of and keep abreast of current corporate practice. It is my only venture into business and the stock market. I can't afford to invest but I keep up with how the companies are doing and in what manner they are doing it. I buy accordingly.

Your points are good and I agree with them in principle, and if people are able to make and execute informed choices re: their shopping venues, that's fine with me.

My concern is that reality doesn't offer much support of that kind of consciousness. My town, for instance, has a Wal*Mart stocked with everything under the sun, a Kmart stocked with about 10% of everything, and two dozen "Dollar Stores" stocked with every piece of low-quality crap you can imagine. It's simply not practical for many people to shop anywhere else, and for them it's a choice between buying their groceries/clothing/tools at Wal*Mart or doing without.

Wal*Mart's current annual bottom line is somewhere around $5 billion, if I recall correctly. I have difficulty believing that any amount of grassroots consumer activism can have a discernable impact.

Not being a minority of some type (obviously that invalidates my opinion to some)
Defending the the Pope after his death
Having a moderate opinion on abortion (i.e. while it should be kept legal, I still don't like it)
Defending my mom when someone on here called her a whore
Urging caution on some of the bullshit voter fraud stories (not that all of them are bullshit, but some were)

That's all I can think of right now.

Doesn't seem to be a majority view. ;)

Ask me if I give a fuck. :beer:

miles does seem to be a bit of a over reaction.

Jews lived in Israel before the religion of Islam was created. Look it up.

these days. There are even professors in the Middle East who try to deny the existence of the ancient temple ruins in Jerusalem.

I dont know if thats a popular viewpoint here, but it sure as hell doesnt seem to be popular over there.

The first two more than the last.

And I'm not always 100% anti-violence.

Taken some flak for both of these points.

To fiery hell with all who disagree.

Was raised on concertina. My brother has a very famous polka music bar. Do you know about WALN weekend live streaming? Great stuff.

:popcorn:

Tell me about the filthy art of yodelling.

Hey you got a cigar? We CAN smoke in here, can't we?

Astral's! Want one??

:popcorn: :popcorn:

We should open a window though. :smoke:

the bottom of the thread!

:popcorn: :popcorn:

I'm going down now...

I'm back. How do we get the Greens and others to stick with a Dem? I dunno. Put one up who isn't full of shit or tied in knots by corporate interests?

Or the meat? I'll take a rare fillet. I occasionally indulge.

I worked with a waitress who was convinced that people who didn't order their meat rare wouldn't engage in oral sex.

Vegetarians, I guess, would have to order a raw vegetable platter.

He came from Switzerland and toured the best theaters in this country and commanded the grand ticket price to his concerts in New York and Los Angeles of $13 in 1919.

I will reflect upon whether to take umbrage at your post. I will get back to you in a couple of months or so. There must be something about it that I can get upset about... I must think........

It summons up the dark forces of Satan. The Lederhosen inspires impure thoughts.

And what were they thinking with those "slap-dancing" routines?

He never sported lederhosen. Silk shirts and suits. Silk hankies.

See what ridiculous old fashioned stereotyped bigoted ideas you have against Swiss persons.

Silk also inspires impure thoughts. Even pure silk. raw silk is the worst.

I fear it all immensely.

... and I never tell DUers anything, but FUCKING EMBRACE THE SILK already! Jeez.

I hate to impune "chickens", but hey, if the shoe fits...

Or "chicken rustler" "chicken-shit" or...something chicken related.

he was something of a philanderer. Well, he WAS Swiss!

Now that we've covered a number of bigoted views...

seriously, have you ever put up a page on him with any memorabilia you may have? Why not honor his career? Theater history buffs and yodeling aficionados would enjoy it.

Show business is tough and he did reach a certain level of excellence.

My father does have some old 33 records. And some written music that a friend is rendering into song. He performed in some of the early movies. We shall see what we can come up with. He is mentioned in the credits of one movie in IMDB. He came to this country in 1916 and performed on big stages until the Depression hit. Hey, a $13 concert ticket was pretty fancy, eh? We have one.

You must have a very high threshold.

my moniker is a bit of a lie... it says "winter", but means alla time.

Well! This is what I get for trying to reach out to fellow crackpots on DU.

Google "yodeling" and 318,000 hits appear. Someone is digging the yodeling thing, you evil silk-monger.

I better pour a beer.

EDIT: Another beer.

Good luck on your mission.

If filth is what you seek, you're on the right track to a depravity as sheer as an Alpine cliff.

The coldness of the smooth raw silk.

Think I write as well as Scooter?? I think so.

I have stadium-style loudspeakers on the roof of my hovel
which I blast polka out on to cheer up the neighborhood.

I think we will go see them.

ffffuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnn!

They are from Denton. I saw them in the mid 80's before they were "big." They had already been around a while by then in fact. Denton has a huge music scene.

One is a music professor. Denton rocks. (So does Brave Combo)

I can't believe it's not more popular. But it's the best music ever. I wouldn't walk across the street to hear Jimmy Sturr. In fact I'd close my window.

I like it like that. It's their loss.

:sarcasm: knowing that people like YOU are going to be here... :hide:

POLKA!

I've had a lot of positive support for my position, but some of the nastiest heat directed at me came out of this.

Suggesting (ahem) rather strongly we not trash Dems haphazardly runs a close second.

And we shall see. His story has already been changing.

Never the less, I was beaten up pretty roundly the other night.

Remember, I doubted it too, Scout. I hadn't heard the latest. Do tell.

but Sherriff's department says that he called to report it from the hospital. After this discrepancy was pointed out to him by a reporter, he's refused all media.

In addition, the police have now interviewed him again and refuse to say what the 2nd "interview" was regarding. Within 48 hours of this 2nd interview, he resigned his leadership post at KU.

He's going to be found out.

I wonder if he beat himself up?

I believe the the Federal Air Marshal's were doing their job.

I support PETA.

I support Vegetarians.

I cannot stand the DNC.

I cannot stand Hillary.

I REALLY like Wesley Clark.

I believe that the war in Afghanistan is necessary, unfortunately. :(

OH, and I think that all circus's and Rodeo's should be BANNED.

you believe the war in Afghanistan is necessary-why, and what do you think about the war in Iraq?
What convinced you to be so pro-Clark? There are many people who are, I know, but why?
I agree on your last point: circus's and rodeo's? Eh, I'm not interested. :)

Afganistan is because I believe that that bastard Osama is there and needs to be caught!

I am completely 110% AGAINST the war in Iraq. As a matter of fact, my very first form of political activism was protesting the war when we first went in.

I like Clark because I believe he knows so much more about how to protect us than some of the other dems. I also liked his take-no-shit personality. I guess I felt like I could understand him more... For the record, I liked Kerry too, but I felt like he was just to "soft".

My last paragraph about the circus's and rodeoas stem from my love and admiration for animals. Sometimes, I'd prefer to talk to an animal than a human being! :)

1. The election was stolen in 2004.
2. Global Warming.

This is a discussion that the Dems must take seriously. Of course we are pro-immigrant. The fact is though, that the migrant worker of 2005 no longer is only doing work that "Americans" won't do. There is a reason why the gop wants to allow them to work--without giving them any protections--they want to pay workers third-world labor wages without any of the protections that our labor laws used to ensure.

My son's father came to the US as a child from Mexico, his parents received amnisty. My ex became a union worker and a home owner. This is a good thing, but "guest worker"(non-amnisty) programs will undermine such success stories.

We continue to spit on union workers and the African American comunity when we do not address this issue. We may love imigrants and understand their plight, but we sorely miss the point when it comes to how they are being used to bring wages, benifits, and protection down at the expense of the American woker--not all of whom asked to be here in the first place.


This is no joke. The Democratic Party must debate this issue and come to terms with the very real implications of any stance that is not well thought out and is not representative of the Party itself. Don't believe me? Ask NOLA African Americans who cannot find work but see migrant workers being shipped in to work in NO. Ask them, they will give you an ear full.

I am amazed at the number of Dems who do not see the anti-labor implications of this

With regard to both the US and most of Western Europe.

I'm a low rent gun toting, meat eating, cigar smoking, cheap Chianti drinking liberal. I really hate when just as I think me and some Greenie are getting along he/she starts off with "well you know, the Democrats are not much better ... blah, blah, blah."

And yes I love Ed Schultz.

Yeah, CAFTA wasn't perfect but our trade is more effective at fighting 3rd world poverty than almost anything else. I know that is a very unpopular position here.

But never let facts get in the way of belief.

I though the purpose of this thread was to avoid flame wars.

It sounded like the purpose of this thread was to start them!

Just look at the flames from the polka section!

corporations that write the legislation win.

Anti-Free Trade

I don't believe we have ever had a free market, as many assume. Its just a catch all term to perpetuate an illusion.

Anti-Wallyworld

Anti-Death Penalty

Anti-Welfare Reform

I don't like the Cintons(either of them) for basically the reasons stated above about Free Trade and Welfare Reform

I believe in Nationalizing major industries(Steel, Coal, Oil, Nuclear, Electricity)

I believe in keeping local utilities under local government control(Natural Gas, Water, etc.)

Anti-Deregulation in all instances

I'm not a damned lockstepper with the Party

Puts the skeptics in a spittle-spewing lather every time! heh-heh

If you don't support trans fats, you don't support Oreos. If you don't support Oreos, you hate America. And if there's one thing I can't stand, it's an America-hater.

I believe I read that Oreos are changing their recipe to eliminate trans-fat.

Take that, you trans-fat defenders!

I've also been called a racist and a freeper because of my immigration views. Oh well, can't please everyone.

The very base of my political beliefs is that utopian ideas are very dangerous and idealism is a scary force that should be watched with caution and not admired.

Next you'll tell me you didn't get "The Big Legowski".

n/t.

:popcorn: :popcorn:

Mow am I in trouble, too???

with a bit 'o snottiness.

Which is fine. I had my say and avoided snottiness myself, which is something of a rarity.

I think Kerry and Clinton make fine Senators, though. I wouldn't trust them with the presidency.

for all Law Enforcement Officers. I find the Taser a valuable tool to quickly secure a potentially dangerous scenario.

That's a two way street here.

I hold my own, though, in that forum.

In a reasonable,non confrontationanl,educated way.

If you're serious. Some vegans can be, um, difficult. Like any other lifestyle/opinion/theory.

Some hands are heavy and some aren't.

I try to be open and responsive.

I picture a utopia,where protien comes from tubes,where Iraq and Iran area like Montana and Idaho,where we can all get aloong.

Shit, I'll pick you up on my way there...

I've seen your posts frequently in vegan topics. You are kind, considerate and not at all 'preachy' or nasty
to those that don't embrace the vegan lifestyle.

Thank you for always being so kind and open about it. :hi:

That was really nice of you to say. I appreciate it.

:loveya:

Oliver Twist...

"please, could I have some more?"

It's Dickens. What?

heh heh...:evilgrin:

Bad girl.

VERY bad.

DICK-INS..... YUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!

This thread is gonna get locked naughty boy!

Redheads...what're you gonna do with 'em?

Okay, I have an answer for that, but I won't post it.

Naughty.

J/K. You know that. How ya doin' man?

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We libruls can't have the meat-eating faction eating the worst artery clogging garbage. We veggie libs need all of you carnivores and meat-eating omnivores together with our herbivorous asses if we're gonna pull a serious train on the current administration.

THAT's what I'm talkin' bout, CG.

of voters who would normally go third party after the Democratic loss in 04. I live in an area of Northern Ca. and spoke with some Greens, Independents, and yes some Libertarians, who voted for Kerry to make a point about Bush. They "swallowed a lot pride" and voted Democratic. These voters could throw a national election. My deep concern is, how do we get them back?

Like our most recent nominee. "I voted for the war before I voted against the war. my pre teens picked up that bullshit on their own and ridiculed Kerry for weeks.

My first choice for president is the same as it was last year. And I have a feeling you might agree ;)

But since he took himself out of the running when he took that other job, then the search goes on. And none of the ones that the DLC & mediawhores are trying to shove down our throats at the moment are going to work.

by people who essentially said "we don't need them!"

that seems to be a bad thing round these parts lately. :scared:

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...provided it's strictly regulated by people who know how to pronounce it correctly.

I also don't think male circumcision or baby formula are evil, to name two topics that sometimes make peoples' heads explode.

There are dozens of those who seem oh so eager to start flame wars with those of us who don't eat meat-they far outnumber the vegans and vegetarians on this board. Flame baiting fellow liberals is bloody counter productive, IMO. If I care about animals and the environment, I apparently don't care about people, or I don't have my priorities right and should care MORE about the Iraq war and set everything else aside. Yeah, right-multitasking is impossible and who the hell cares if the entire human race faces extinction due to climate change and biodiversity loss that is leading to collapsing environments. :eyes:

1. I hate conspiracy theories. There is NO grand RW conspiracy to assasinniate popular left-wingers; OSWALD KILLED JFK, THE DEATHS OF JFK, RFK, MLK, AND PAUL WELLSTONE ARE NOT RELATED. people are trying to see patterns that fit thier own fears and predudices.

2. Quit balming us Greens everytime 2000 comes up. SCOTUS took the election from Gore, not us.

3. Peak Oil will not cause the fall of civilization.

You must be a Papist.

simply because she was severely disabled.

Public schools. I'm fine if the schools are willing to showcase every faith whether there is a student of that faith in the class or not. There are too many variable involved that can cause problems. Parents who aren't willing to allow other religions traditions. Teachers that aren't Christian, or unwilling to allow other religious traditions. I think many DUers want to hold on to the nostalgia from their childhood but they don't look at it from all sides.

I'm still deciding how I feel about the death penalty, but I'm leaning toward wanting it abolished, provided other measures are also enacted to ensure that violent criminals stay behind bars and that correctional officers have the proper training to prevent these people from committing more violent crimes in prison.

Any restrictions on abortion would also have to provide for the mother and child (when it is born).

Metaphorically speaking. Apparently I am really hanging out with the wrong crowd. :)

but the moral superiority shown by SOME - NOT ALL, tends to raise my ire. Killing does not necessarily equal cruelty.

Probably in terms of numbers, being pro gun would be my most unpopular view, though there is a large pro gun contingent as well.

Probably one that could really get some flames going in certain forums would be that I am pro-public lands grazing.

I am an atheist, hopefully a logical scientific thinker and I do like to make fun of willful ignorance including some christians.

Oh and the bitch word. I feel it is totally appropriate to use in context with Ann Coulter.

I also profess that Democrats are the most reasonable political party in existence.

Unfortunately the later position is not always popular on "Democratic Underground."

I don't have a need to be popular, however. ;)

But I also think it needs to be a very rare occurance, reserved for the most heinous offenders who have been proven guilty without a shadow of a doubt.

Especially when you consider that I also liked Metallica, and like Pantera, Slayer, and Clutch. If rock and roll were food, I'd have a garbage can for a stomach.

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