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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:44 AM
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No one deserves to die.
The state does not have the right to execute a person.
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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:46 AM
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1. I never understood
how the state could say killing is wrong. If you do it we'll kill you.

Execution is barbaric!

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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:47 AM
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2. Amen!
It has always been my thought that we have no right in that decision - everyone's time comes when it's time, whether it be alone in bed or sitting in a jail cell for life...
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:48 AM
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3. You duplicated your own post, which is also on page 1?!
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:51 AM
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4. And yet, we all will
You know I'm not arguing with your position; I've just been looking for a place to say that this evening.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:51 AM
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5. Spam anyone?
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:52 AM
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7. spam is tasty....
cubed, mixed with refried beans and cheese, on a tortilla.

;)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:51 AM
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6. I would say, "Gimmee a break" but I'll content myself with this:
:argh: :beer: :popcorn:
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:54 AM
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8. I disagree. There are many who deserve to die.
And many of them would kill you as you proclaim that they shouldn't if you happened to be in their way.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:55 AM
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10. And you are the judge MrSlayer?
No thank you.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:59 AM
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11. Of course "no thank you" if I'm the judge and you murdered someone.
Because you'd get what you deserve.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:03 AM
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12. I am glad I do not live in your world full of vengence.
What good does revenge do?
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 02:16 AM
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41. Justice does lots of good.
You say to-may-to, I say To-mah-to.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:04 AM
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13. Yes they would......
In a heart beat........without even blinking.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:54 AM
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9. killing killers because killing is wrong is fricking hypocritical insanity
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:11 AM
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14. All this anti-death penalty jabber
is completely cerebral. The defense of such evil suggests that. I bet no one has had any real "on hands" experience dealing with a cold-blooded murderer.

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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:14 AM
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16. define cold blooded murderer, please. are you talking manson or bush?
I stand by my statement - killing killers as punishment for killing makes us no better than them
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:19 AM
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20. When I support the death penalty, I first
think of the child murderers and then the serial killer. I've met both kinds post crime.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:20 AM
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21. And you would have them killed because.....?
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:24 AM
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23. First, because they were convicted in a court of law
and the jury recommended death. I support the community decision. Secondly, they are worthless, empty souls who just need to move on out of this dimension.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:26 AM
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24. convicted of what?
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:30 AM
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28. See post #20.
Additionally, the community/state outlines the criteria for a death penalty case which is actually rarely used compared to all the murder convictions on the books.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:32 AM
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29. Kill them because they're killers. How is one different from the other?
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:35 AM
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33. I have answered that question
in my various post......
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:37 AM
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34. I don't think you have.
Edited on Sun Dec-11-05 01:38 AM by Skip Intro
you say kill, citing you'll be killing killers, who should be killed, because killing is wrong.

you're certainly free dodge the issue

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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:55 AM
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35. When one's behavior is so outrageously
cruel as in a child murderer for example, they are deemed by their society and peers to of committed the ultimate taboo. Laws have been established by their society outlining what is acceptable and unacceptable. The Laws have established consequences for all violations, including First Degree Murder to the worst degree as in the child murders. Execution is what is ordered and sanctioned. Execution is the most severe consequence for the most horrendous of crimes. Such crimes were premeditated, self serving and no doubt satisfying to the assailant. Killing is murder, execution is a consequence of violating the law....that is quite different.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 02:02 AM
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36. Murder vs. Execution. Execution is murder. Taking life. Its all horrendous
There is no difference.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 02:05 AM
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38. I disagree.......
n/t
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 02:12 AM
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40. Murder is defined as taking life. Execution takes life. Facts. No dispute.
killing is killing, as sure as 2+2=4.

facts are facts.


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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 02:18 AM
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42. Please do ask
so called "liberal" nurse to explain to you her theory that commuting a death sentence to life w/o possibility of parole is such a reward for minorities. The killaz get to hang out wid each othah and chill. It's a regular hip-hop, gangstah clubhouse, according to her.

It really is the most totally ignorant thing you've ever heard.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:12 AM
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15. The death penalty legitimates murder
And it encourages us to mock the valid opportunities in remorse, redemption, or rehabilitation. There was a time when a parent could take a shoplifting child back to the store to return the goods and apologize. The natural experience of guilt and shame was meant to shape future behavior.

But not now. Lock em up. Shoot em on the spot. Whatever. With no natural guilt check to balance bad behavior, we are dehumanized, and thus begins the unraveling of civilized society.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:15 AM
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17. Stealing is so much more different
than executing four innocent people.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:33 AM
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30. People don't wake up one morning and decide to murder
It's generally a process that begins with the oppression of poverty. If it wasn't, our "death rows" would be filled with stockbrokers, dentists, and politicians.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 02:09 AM
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39. Your everyday, socially dysfunctional
murderer who acted in a blackout or on an impulse do not get the death penalty. They just serve time.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:16 AM
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18. The death penalty is reserved for
those who will never, ever experience remorse or seek redemption. And if on a fluke one actually did, too bad, I wouldn't believe it...
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:34 AM
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32. Then killing them won't really "teach them a lesson."
Removing them from society is prudent however.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 02:03 AM
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37. Prudent works for me.
n/t
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:17 AM
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19. All you guys that want to kill quote the bible......not once does Jesus
say revenge is mine.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:23 AM
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22. "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is pretty fucking clear.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:27 AM
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25. Old testament.
keep trying.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:33 AM
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31. Huh? Ten Commandments irrelevant now? What?
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 08:17 AM
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45. Actually
The original text is "Thou shalt not murder". It's the 6th.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:27 AM
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26. again.. there is no scientific proof death is a penalty.. thats unusual
and cruel

and it has never been a deterrent.. it is just a campaign issue
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:29 AM
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27. Crime sure has disappeared in the USA.
NT
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:56 AM
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47. there is no statistical proof the DP reduces crime, it actually increases
homicide rates.. there is nothing to prevent killing witnesses, what is another killing when you are facing death for just one

the people that kill others don't think it out.. it is usually someone they know and alcohol is involved.

you are dead wrong about the DP prevnting crive..FALSE
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 02:56 AM
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43. Ha! We're ALL going to die! Thus, we all must deserve to.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 07:41 AM
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44. Here, here!
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 09:16 AM
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46. First of All
quit debating this issue as though you are in a vacuum. US law did not originate from the bible. The bible and judeo-christian beliefs have influenced the creation of law over the last 2000 years in the west but not defined it. The Code Duello, the Bloodgeld and germanic/barbarian cultural influences had a large impact on what punishment was deemed necessary. It wasn't until Victorian Days that people began to see imprisonment and rehabilitation as viable (and less barbaric) forms of punishment. Which leads me to my point,not everyone agrees on what constitutes punishment. And so the proper debate IMHO is what is the proper punishment for "Crime X". Person A says death, Person B days life imprisonment, Person C says reeducation ala A Clockwork Orange, etc...
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