Without victory in 2006 IMPEACHMENT is off the table. . .

. . .so I would encourage all of you who want to see * impeached you need to focus your energies on taking back the House and the Senate in 2006. Even then its a longshot, but with Republican majorities in both houses impeachment will never happen without a Democratic landslide. People can scream for impeachment, but that is unrealistic as long as the GOP is in charge.

There has been a lot of discussion about DINO's, the DCCC and the DLC and the role they will play in 2006. I think we need to start working to come together as a party, the DCCC and DLC aint going anywhere so its time for everyone to find a common ground, a common purpose and map to victory. I know it sucks for some of my fellow DUers but instead of bashing the DCCC and DLC its time for us to figure out how to co-exist and to move forward as a party.

Other than Joey, I don't care what Democrat wins if we can turn the Congress to our side.

That is the issue.
That is where the power is.

I don't care if they were for the war from the start and just found sanity or pro gun or whatever.

If they are on our side and can get elected -cut the "eating our own" and get the party started again.

. . .I can't stand the guy, however he is a Dem with high approval ratings in his state, should we spend our time and our resources bashing/challenging him when we have seats we need to win? Lets get a majority first then go after him.

Unless we fight for our elections and for impeachment, there will be no Democratic landslide.

three more years in his term dictates that we use any and all levers to pry Bush loose from power. There was absolutely nothing that affected the country so much that Clinton did that should have triggered our Democrats to agree to impeachment hearings, but they did because they were pressured politically.

We can do the same to republicans. We just need the majority of our Democrats to stand firm and we will see the unraveling of Bush.

as much as i might want them to --

i have never seriously entertained the thought that a bush impeachment is in the cards.

given the votes on the war -- i'm not so sure it's something that should be banked on.

The Democrats we now have don't seem to have the stomach for impeachment.

. . .even if everyone one of the elected Dems are not as progressively pure as some would like, it furthers the overall progressive agenda.

ones would say fergeddabout it before it all began even if you could get impeachment passed. They're corporate and this is what they want...including the war.

and more important, of governability. If enough of us got busy and were visible, they would have to get off their butts. That's how it's always worked. Even if our votes aren't counted, they have to mind the illusion that they are.

Victory in 2006 is off the table.

of who controls the voting machines.

:hi:

W won fair and square and "we just work harder"?
Just checking how realistic this actually is.

. . .we know that counting the votes matter, but if the party is divided there will not be enough energy out there to make sure the votes are counted.

is as unrealistic as the expectation of impeachment (with or without dem majority)
I will not be lulled with election dreams anymore.

Note to Kerry:

Please STOP telling us Impeachment is unrealistic. There are plenty enough reasons for people to get involved without telling them not to be demanding impeachment right now!

I am very sorry but are pretty well aware. Do you think we don't know the Rs control things? duh...

It would make a MAJOR IMPACT to see the word IMPEACH everywhere you look in this country. We are the people! I'm not pinning my hopes merely on a bunch of politicians!

We the people say we want Impeachment!!!
!

end of rant.

What is being smoked today. Calling for unity is in no way telling anyone to keep their mouth shut. What type of paranoia do need to be on to think that? LOL

I just edited two lines for clarity and manners

Aside from that, telling me that impeachment is unrealistic because the Rs are in charge feels like it implies that I am not aware of this very obvious and simple fact.
And I might add that it is completely unrealistic to expect that Dems would impeach anyway. i didn't read the main gist of your post as being a request for unity.

Frankly I don't expect impeachment either way.!
But I would like the demand of the people become a roar!

excuse my obvious anger but I've heard this one too many times.

I'll have to be rude and butt in. I think that the chances for impeachment are increased by a process that I am confident both of you agree with. On one hand, there is a growing awareness that some folks in the administration lied to the American people in order to promote an agenda that was not in the nation's best interest. On the other hand, a segment of society if very aware that the march to war included serious crimes that should be grounds for impeachment.

Should the drive be to impeach Bush? Cheney? Both? This is an area that people might disagree on, especial on who should be the first target. But the methods should be an area we agree on: the most important thing to be doing now is preparing to change the face of the House and the Senate in '06. And one of the important resources we now have -- much more so than two years ago -- is "proof" that the republicans are as corrupt as they are.

I'm all for unity with all of those who are moving towards the same goals. I do think that we should take note of the fact that there are some democrats who are more suportive of the administration's actions in Iraq than some republicans. It seems likely that they may be more inclined to cover for the impeachable offenses, than some republicans. The most obvious example is Sen. Joe Lieberman. I would think that he should be identified as an enemy of progress on these issues. The fact that he calls himself a democrat in public doesn't outweigh his actions.

and I'll have to admit I am very cynical!

I have periodically advocated for a movement to demand impeachment over the last few years. To answer the question, I think the 'meme' should be "Impeach The Bush Administration"

You see i don't think it will happen. I hope and pray I am wrong.
I am coming from a place of planting thoughts, sort of a marketing thing I guess. I see the possibility of repeating something enough times that it becomes a story in itself (much as the Republicans do).

I will never tell people not to work toward the 06 election.
I do think you make powerful points about WHO we are pitting our hopes upon. And election fraud and reform issues are tantamont.