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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:45 PM
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Next on California's death row: an inmate who's over 70
Next on California's death row: an inmate who's over 70
By Henry Weinstein

Los Angeles Times

While Californians debate whether Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger should grant clemency to convicted murderer Stanley "Tookie" Williams, a legal battle has just gotten under way over the fate of the next man set for execution in California — Clarence Ray Allen, who has a Jan. 17 date to die.

Allen, who will turn 76 on Jan. 16, was condemned to death for commissioning the murders of three people while he was behind bars. Legally blind and confined to a wheelchair, Allen would be the oldest and most infirm inmate to be executed in the state since California reinstated the death penalty in 1978. His clemency campaign is expected to focus on his age and ill health.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002678321_webdeathrow11.html
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:50 PM
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1. well, I'm against the death penalty totally... but...
it would certainly seem this guy would have an uphill battle convincing that he should receive leniency, at the end of his life, while those who murdered as young adolescents, and the mentally ill are sent on to their deaths...:shrug:
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:50 PM
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2. Oh, great, now the state is going to kill a blind guy in a wheelchair ..
in my name.

How tragic!
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:55 PM
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5. Who just happens to be a murder....
or maybe a hit man is a better term. He did murder his fellow inmates.....I would support life with out parole at this phase.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:02 AM
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8. Absolutely.
That's what happens if a death sentence is commuted.

That's what I believe our stiffest penalty should be.

These inmates, if truly guilty, have done unconscionable things.

I do not want further killing done in my name, however, particularly under these circumstances.

I'm anti-death-penalty; life without parole is the most difficult consequence anyway.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 01:51 AM
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17. EXACTLY!!!
i cannot think of a worse punishment than life in prison. death is preferable.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:50 PM
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3. Wow!
The ultimate state-sponsored "Whack-a-Mole!"
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:54 PM
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4. Just lock him up for life so he can never kill again...oops!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:08 AM
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11. Locked up where?
Some people need to be locked up in super max facilities, 23 hour a day isolation and no other human contact. If this guy was in that kind of facility and still managed to arrange murders, then this is the rare case that I would support the death penalty. Society does have the right to use any means to protect itself.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 11:59 PM
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6. Some people have such misplaced compassion
I didn't know being old, sick and blind exempted one from accountability for committing murderous crimes. Well, I guess we learn something new everyday!
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:00 AM
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7. Anybody who opposes the execution of Clarence Ray Allen
has my admiration as a true opponent of the death penalty. This is one of the more loathsome individuals on the face of the earth. The world would definitely be better off if he were no longer in it. On the other hand he is 77, and in failing health so he won't last much longer anyway.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:03 AM
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9. The article says he suffered a heart attack not long ago.
Would a DNR have helped things along? Is that admissible on death row?
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:03 AM
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10. Yes, and, hopefully, he will pay for an eternity after this lifetime.
I just don't want the state killing in my name.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:10 AM
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12. It depends
Like I said, if he has been placed in the most super max type of detention and still managed to arrange murders, then he needs to go. Otherwise, killing him makes me as vile as he is. And I do not want to be anywhere near the same moral plane as this son of a bitch. He really is a rotten bastard.
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:41 AM
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13. Did you read the last paragraph?
Mississippi is set to execute a 77-year-old man next week, and Arizona has an 89-year-old on death row.
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