Holy SHIT This is scary

According to a report published Monday by the Washington Post, the Pentagon has developed its first ever war plans for operations within the continental United States, in which terrorist attacks would be used as the justification for imposing martial law on cities, regions or the entire country.

The front-page article cites sources working at the headquarters of the military’s Northern Command (Northcom), located in Colorado Springs, Colorado. The plans themselves are classified, but “officers who drafted the plans” gave details to Post reporter Bradley Graham, who was recently given a tour of Northcom headquarters at Peterson Air Force Base. The article thus appears to be a deliberate leak conducted for the purpose of accustoming the American population to the prospect of military rule.



http://www.asiantribune.com/show_article.php?id=2620

Martial law coming to a town near you.
As soon as the fuck heads decide how to do it "best".
And get their"catalyzing events" set up..

Fuck trifectas.

Grrrrr...

"accustoming" us to it? Geez. Are we that easy?

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

And it is really sad that it has happened.

:(

local people, me included, don't use our own guns and if the army complies. The Russian Army didn't and ours won't. It could also be a deliberate leak to let us know that the animals in charge are mad.

was the rejection of the concept of posse comitatus, the restraint from using troops in the US against citizens. It doesn't take much imagination to go from hurricane relief, to crowd control, to public safety, to preventing insurrection, to lodging in homes, to martial law.

,...comitatus forced me to take quite seriously their willingless to impose a military state upon the American people.

I mean, I have read over the years a sundry of quotes from these neo-fasci-corporacrats indicating their belief that military force is necessary to "guide" ignorant/stupid people into the "right" direction; but, I simply could not imagine they were truly serious about that shit.

They are serious,...about that shit.

They are seriously sick,...and in charge.

We can only remain confident that the combined forces of our voices, what's left of the "rule of law" and judicial branch and those associated with "justice" departments, in addition to the remaining "representatives" true to the rights of the people will end this madness.

http://www.new-enlightenment.com/cabal_index.htm

""Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched."

George Bush Senior speaking in an interview with
Sarah McClendon in December 1992"

During Katrina was when Bush was pressing like mad for martial law and losing posse comitatus.
Fascist bastard.

The Bush Administration's "Enabling Act"
http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/article_186.shtml

Pentagon devising scenarios for martial law in US
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/08/322932.shtml

Bush eyes bigger military role in disasters
White House says debate raises 'a lot of issues to address'
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/26/bush.military/index.html

Bush seeks to federalize emergencies
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050927-121122-3262r.htm

Disaster relief? Call in the Marines.
Bush suggests a broader domestic role for the military.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0919/p01s01-usmi.html

Military wary of disaster role
Some worry that a revision of its homeland mission would take away from war capabilities.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0929/p01s03-usmi.html

FEMA: Blueprint For Tyranny
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/the_new_world_order/163636.html

The CDC's Police State
http://www.atsnn.com/story/179787.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4790112
thread title (Sept 16): Missing A KEY POINT in *'s speech: POWER GRAB FOR POTUS AND MILITARY

and the recent release of Gov. Blanco's records makes it clear just how hard she was pushed, blackmailed to try to force her to put the LA Guard under federal control and give full rights of decision to the feds. Martial law, in fact and explicitly stated. Very important:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5518358
thread title (12/4): Rove pushed for martial law, federalization of Nat Guard} - WP:Documents Highlight Bush-Blanco Standoff(Vitter carried Rove's message

She BEGGED Bush for help, but they withheld to try to blackmail her into allowing federal martial law, for which we should be grateful to her. But undeclared martial law is really what they actually what they now have in Louisana, Blackwater mercs and all.

I think we all need to read carefully this DU editorial on how too many people are cheerfully assuming that the Bush/PNAC/neocon cabal will relinquish power if (ignoring election fraud too) they are defeated by the voting of the American public:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/05/12/03_splash.html
DU editorial title (12/3): "A Splash of Cold Water"

about this stuff if it weren't for you. Remember that post you posted months ago, that really long one with all the links? Still got that?

them and what army? I mean they can't do shit like this if they're running around attacking every other country on earth. I believe a lot of the sheeple would tolerate it but I don't think they have the troops to accomplish it. Nevertheless I suggest that everyone avail themselves of the second amendment while it still exists.

Maybe they'll try something like that??

be interesting to see how the "ain't gonna get my gun 'lessn ya take it outta my cold dead hands" crowd is going to react to this. They're so fond of running out to vote Repuke - look what the Repukes have brought them. Talk about backing the wrong fucking horse. Oh well, they asked for it, they got it.

in Monday's edition or for at least the last two weeks. The one mention I see of this story is from the WSWS (via SF IndyMedia). Can anyone actually find this story?

WTF???

I just called bullshit on this in the post below yours but I'm willing to read the original article.

because my access is through a pay site (proquest), but the article did come up as Wash. Post August 8. If you PM me, I can email the complete article as it appeared in the Washington Post.

which claims as its source an article by Bradley Graham on the front page of today's Washington Post.

This article is not on the Post website, nor do I find any mention of it on Kos, Atrios, or Huffington.

I smell bullshit.

You'll find the WSWS web site to be far more accurate than the WaPo itself or the NY Times. Less payola involved.


War Plans Drafted To Counter Terror Attacks in U.S.
Domestic Effort Is Big Shift for Military

By Bradley Graham
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 8, 2005; Page A01

COLORADO SPRINGS -- The U.S. military has devised its first-ever war plans for guarding against and responding to terrorist attacks in the United States, envisioning 15 potential crisis scenarios and anticipating several simultaneous strikes around the country, according to officers who drafted the plans.

The classified plans, developed here at Northern Command headquarters, outline a variety of possible roles for quick-reaction forces estimated at as many as 3,000 ground troops per attack, a number that could easily grow depending on the extent of the damage and the abilities of civilian response teams.
e-Qaeda: The Rise of a Radical Webmaster
Briton Used Internet As His Bully Pulpit
The case of one Web-savvy British engineer shows how the Internet can magnify al Qaeda's reach far beyond the radical mosques that had previously been the primary means of propagating Osama bin Laden's message.
e-QAEDA | From Afghanistan to the Internet: Terrorists Turn to the Web as Base of Operations


The possible scenarios range from "low end," relatively modest crowd-control missions to "high-end," full-scale disaster management after catastrophic attacks such as the release of a deadly biological agent or the explosion of a radiological device, several officers said.

Some of the worst-case scenarios involve three attacks at the same time, in keeping with a Pentagon directive earlier this year ordering Northcom, as the command is called, to plan for multiple simultaneous attacks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/07/AR2005080700843.html?referrer=emailarticle

when in fact its more than four months old.

Reading the Post article now, I remember it from last summer. At the time, I saw it as a disturbing -- but hardly unforeseen -- development.

I find it amusing that you believe the WSWS to be more accurate than the WaPo, when in this instance it's doing nothing more than rewriting WaPo's work.

WaPo is garbage. Paper of record tripe.

But very large ads for furs and diamonds.

Catalyzing event? Check. (read: death of Tookie Williams, riots spark among gang members, it spreads into the suburbs)

Deciding how to do it "best"? Check. (read: LA gets screwed just like New Orleans)

Imminent martial law? Checkity check check! (read: National Guard comes in but refuses to do shit about anything)

Look at the Laws that have been passed the rights overturned the constitution undermined.

Just because the Post isn't saying shit about this.. does not mean it is not possible here. Don't assume our press is all that free. Even reporters that are retired from the press,warn about this like Bill Moyers.They speak of how messed up our"free press" has become under corporate controlled editors.
Reporters might be free but there are no funds for investigative reporters to burn the shoe leather investigating stories to do their job.Investigative reporting costs money.So in the corporate media,editors control content based in what the corporation permits and is willing to PAY for.

Think about it.

A willingness to do whatever it takes to execute their ideological "mission". Although I still cannot fathom that the people of this country would tolerate that crap, I am of the firm belief that these assholes would try it anyway.

the National Guard was posted at the airports and overpasses. I was in the DC area at the time and I remember many people saying they were glad they were posted all over the place.

Personally the frightened Guard units scared me more than the terra preaching.

Those were National Guard troops and we see what happened when they were frightened.

And most people here have no real idea what Martial Law really is. Hint: It is NOT troops on every corner. In fact, the enforcers would be the same people who enforce current law.

Nor would it mean making everybody stay home. The economy has to function and that means rush hour traffic.

In fact, the average citizen would not see much change - unless they ran afoul of the new legal system. Then they would see a LOT of change.

under Stalin before posting stuff like this.

And I am extremely well informed about them.

You don't like what I wrote, but you don't post an opinion of your own. You do not say exactly what you find objectionable about my post. That makes it very difficult to have a dialogue with you.

In Russia, it meant one thing.

In Quebec in 1969, when the politicians were being kidnapped by the Quebec seperatist group, and martial law was imposed, it meant more like what you said.

In short, it means whatever the federal government wants it to mean. I'm not ready to put my trust there.

My gripe is that most DUers don't know what martial law is. They have this idea of a soldier at all the intersections, and of it being imposed from the top down. Sometimes it is. But if it happens in America, it will be because the people will demand it.

And at first it will appear to work well. The first target will be the obvious street criminals and they will be dealt with in short order. The Crips, Bloods, and assorted other gangs will vanish in less than a month - maybe two. But sooner or later, it will start to hurt the ordinary people. It always does.

Several dozen 'editorials' in newspapers calling for martial law that are paid operatives by the pentagon, who probably have some stock into companies that will sell arms and supplys to the military.

If it is a matter of fact, please post some links to back up your stance. If it is opinion, please do elaborate.

In 1976 I attended U.S. Naval Legal Justice School, in Newport RI, as an officer in the US Navy. I am not a lawyer, nor did the school make me one. It made me a kind of military para-legal, for lack of a better term. It covered what Martial Law is. Not for the aspect of how to do it, but as a defination and how it works in covering the different sources of law.

Basically, it places civilians under military law and the military court system. The degree would vary greatly from country to country. In the US, the last instance of Martial Law was in Hawaii after Pearl Harbor.

The part about Martial Law being demanded by the people is of course speculation. In Hawaii it was accepted readily, but they had just been bombed.

Opinion: The American people would not accept Martial Law of the kind that most DUers think of. The POTUS waking up grumpy some day and saying, "Let's do it." It would only be accepted in the aftermath of an extremely traumatic event that had everybody scared. A terrorist attack much larger than 9-11 would trigger the mindset.

In order for Martial Law to "work" here (in my opinion) would mean that the civilians seriously believed that the military was protecting them and the military seriously believed they were protecting their own citizens.

In order for this to occur however, I think society would have to experience a level of fear that has never been experienced before.

Bird Flu?

I hope not. I love this country too much to accept this scenario ever happening. :(

Which do they anticipate first?

and more

http://www.betweenthecoasts.com/archives/BATTLEGROUND_OHIO_BUSH-102704

A phrase you might expect to hear very often.

Remembering the 1960s' Operation Northwoods proposal.

Sickening and scary.

K&R

Why are people surprised to wake up in a fascist state? The government has been building up to martial law for quite some time now. Hell, Clinton was as much a catalyst for martial law as the Bush administration. We're all up in arms over how little disregard the Bush administration has for the Constitution, but didn't seem to mind when the Clinton administration was pulling the same shit. In fact, much of the Patriot Act was dreamed up after the Oklahoma bombing. Remember the Clipper Chip?

.. right before the Dems Grand Slam in 06?

http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/sp030311.shtml

On the floor of the House
2003
By the way this was Reagan's Plan

-snip-
"From 1982 to 1984, Colonel Oliver North assisted FEMA in drafting its civil defense preparations. Details of those plans emerged during the 1987 Iran-Contra scandal. They included executive orders providing for suspension of the Constitution, the imposition of martial law, internment camps, and the turning over of government to the President and FEMA.

A Miami Herald article on the 5th of July, 1987, reported that the former FEMA director's, Louis Guiffrida's, deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martial law portion of the planning. The planning was said to be similar to one Mr. Guiffrida had developed earlier to combat a national uprising by black militants. It provided for the detention of at least 21 million American Negroes in assembly centers or relocation camps. Today, Mr. Brinkerhoff is with the highly influential Anser Institute for Homeland Security. Following a request by the Pentagon in January that the U.S. military be allowed the option of deploying troops on American streets, the institute in February published a paper by Mr. Brinkerhoff arguing the legality of this. He alleged that the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which has long been accepted as prohibiting such deployments, had simply been misunderstood and misapplied. The preface to the article also provided the revelation that the national plan he had worked on under Mr. Guiffrida was approved by Reagan and actions were taken to implement it.

By April, the U.S. military had created a Northern Command to aid homeland security. Reuters reported that the command is mainly expected to play a supporting role to local authorities. However, Mr. Ridge, the Director of Homeland Security, has just advocated a review of U.S. law regarding the use of military for law enforcement duties.

Disturbingly, and it just really should disturb people, the full facts and contents of Mr. Reagan's national plan remain uncertain. This is in part because President Bush took the unusual step of sealing the Reagan Presidential papers last November. However, many of the key figures of the Reagan era are part of the present administration, including John Poindexter, to whom Oliver North later reported. "

4 paragraph rule.
There is more......on Iraq......

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/femaconcentrationcamplocations07sep05.shtml

Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights
These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:...

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the...

National Security Act of 1947 allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities.

1950 Defense Production Act gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy.

Act of August 29, 1916 authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency.

International Emergency Economic Powers Act enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5582171#5582238

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5582171#5583373

There are very, very good reasons to be scared. They have been setting up the takeover for years, and it can be argued that it has already happened. Democratic trappings are still there for now, but they mean little. And the American public sleeps on.

Gradually workers rights go away wages stagnate,Gradually things get worse,Gradually the public is engineered to see torture as OK gradually people are shown the government will disregard them Gradually corporations overreach, Gradually we are isolated and uprooted chasing jobs so that we do not know our neighbors and family is scattered all over and no one cares.Gradually we get used to being told how to live. We gradually accept a world of Piss tests at work and firing for no reason and offshoring..Gradually we come to accept and even desire the forced drugging put forth in The New freedom Commission on Mental Health and Testing of pesticides on kids.Gradually we begin to accept the false failed economics of Reagan,accept tax cuts for the wealthy while we cannot afford heating oil.

By stealth, our bodies, minds, loves, dreams,fears, privacy,tastes, education, individuality, our children, the land,our food/watter,the culture, our freedoms, our democracy, our perceptions of morality, and our lives themselves

have been systematically and slowly and sometimes in secret or by public demands been co-opted,infiltrated,instigated,marketed,engineered, controlled,denied,and destroyed..

Done by the unaccountable people running the markets,running the drugs and guns,and wars,Making the secrets and rationalizing keeping them away from us,the faceless people who hide among us pretending to be like us,the people on the political stage who cannot be reached by us,and do not care and those uber rich fascists who hide far away from us in fortified fortresses and other places who manage our lives by proxy with a billion little Eichmann's doing their bidding, as they sit atop the world's wealth and resources untouched by any suffering or accountability to anyone themselves.

We have been so controlled by the state,so beholden to the corporation,so tolerant of corrupt industry, To profit uncontrolled, to excessive unneeded militarization, and to a reactionary hypocrite corporate multi faced, multi faithed but ever so subtle and controlling "church" that carries the same old programs,lies and propaganda as all the others but each presents the same old games in different dresses to better engineer the perceptions of reality for different kinds of people coercing us to all think about certain issues a certain way.

Problem,reaction solution. Reaction and reacting to the reaction..On and On we play pretend.We never get around to admit we are not free with all these faceless masters and TV screens defining what freedom is for us.
We never get around to see we are letting the powerful destroy the world and us. W e never get around to finding the CAUSES of our condition.

America is so un free and so stuck on make believe that the people do not even remember what freedom or reality IS anymore.

For Many of us our life itself has been engineered..to accept the game of make believe as truth and to call reality before us a "conspirasy".

You are spot on!

...argue that the attempted coup against FDR was the first attempt at a rightwing takeover.

But their government didn't allow it. :\ I hope it doesn't happen now that it's been exposed.

How strange. Is their historical precident for fascism rising in a country like ours when the leader was no longer actually popular? That's my one hope, that the Bush admin. will just implode before they can pull any nasty stunts like this.

That could be an incentive to pull some kind of stunt - that would rally the public together.

The proposed "cures" for terrorism, the avian flu and even natural disasters are FAR worse than the diseases themselves.

On the same topic:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5562608

:scared:

Clinton was cozy with Straussians.People of the same idealogy as Rumsfelt,
Leo Strauss has been called the Father of the NeoCons.These Straussians are the kind of cabal that are stealth,they lie and they think we people are thier INFERIORS and unfit to run our own lives. Fascism for your own good indeed.


The DLC wants to DESTROY the Democratic Party Beware Thier neo Fascist Third Way Craptrap!The DLC are aligned with STRAUSSIAN philosophy.
Keery is aligned Hillary Clinton and more are Dems who LIE.
Watch out Our Democracy our Civil rights are in Grave Danger. Clink the links below,take your time..Think For yourselves.


http://thepoliticaljunkies.net/Archived/Year%202005/Oct/Wk2/Themdems.htm#ADVICE_FOR_THE_FORLORN_DEMOCRAT

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Jan05/Axford0106.htm

http://www.deletetheweb.com/simon/archives/2004_11.html
A book on this
http://www.uregina.ca/arts/CRC/book_americanright.html

http://news.mi-socialists.org/tms007-neocons.html

Here is what founder and CEO of the Democratic Leadership Council Al From had to say in a recent piece for his organization’s publication:
We can't let those hearts be closed to us again. First and foremost, we need to bridge the trust gap on national security by spelling out our own offense against terrorism and clearly rejecting our anti-war wing, so that Republicans can no longer portray us as the anti-war party in the war on terrorism. We must leave no doubt that Michael Moore neither represents nor defines our party. Blueprint Magazine, Dec. 13, 2004 (Emphasis added)

Mr. From also advises against forming a circular firing squad within the Democratic Party, but given the shots he takes at Moore and those of us opposed to the war he obviously does not follow his own advice.
From is not alone within the DLC. In the very same issue of Blueprint in which From urges the Democratic Party to “clearly” reject “our anti-war wing” Will Marshall, the President of the DLC’s think tank (the “Progressive” Policy Institute) even goes so far as to openly ridicule those of us that believe Mr. Bush went into Iraq, at least in part, because it had significant oil reserves or that the ongoing war in Iraq is an example of American imperialism. Here is what he has to say.
Most rank-and-file Democrats, of course, are just as patriotic and zealous about vindicating our national honor as any Republican. But let's be honest: Cultural elites with influence in the party often give off more than a whiff of fashionable anti-Americanism. They tend to equate patriotism with jingoism, see America more as a global bully than as a victim of a terrorist conspiracy, haul out the tired Vietnam metaphor anytime U.S. troops encounter difficulty abroad, and are as hypercritical of America's faults as they are forgiving of those of our adversaries.

Take Iraq. It's one thing to say, as many thoughtful Democrats do, that the war in Iraq was a mistake. But it's quite another to depict it as the _expression of a new U.S. imperialism, or as a Bush family vendetta, or as a plot to grab Middle East oil, or, most ludicrously of all, as a pretext to enrich Halliburton. What leftish elites smugly imagine is a sophisticated view of their country's flaws strikes much of America as a false and malicious cartoon. And while heartland voters may be too reluctant to hear reasoned criticism of U.S. policies, they are essentially right in believing that America has mostly been an indispensable force for good in the world. So let the glitterati in Hollywood and Cannes fawn over Michael Moore; Democrats should have no truck with the rancid anti-Americanism of the conspiracy-mongering left. Blueprint Magazine, Dec. 13, 2004 Apparently Mr. Marshall has not read the “Statement of Principles” published by the Project for A New American Century, a statement signed by Jeb Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfawitz among others. Included in the list of “principles” they embrace is the following: “we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.” (Emphasis added) The “Progressive” Policy Institute, DLC and other conservative Democrats may mock those that call this imperialism, but one can easily imagine Augustus, King George III or Napoleon saying something very similar.

But really, any damage Mr. Marshall, Al From and their ilk do to the left and future Democratic prospects does not stem from the merits, or lack thereof of their attacks on the left, Michael Moore, or so called “Hollywood values”. The DLC is dangerous to the continued survival of our party because it validates the right’s claims we are elitists that don’t respect working class values, that Michael Moore is the left’s official or unofficial spokesperson, that respect for the First Amendment amounts to an embrace of “Hollywood values”, that there is such a thing as a “war on terrorism” in the first place (as if we can fight a war against a tactic as opposed to a group or nation or Congress ever fulfilled its duty to declare war), and that the anti-war movement essentially amounts to an anti-American movement which the Democrats would do well to dismiss. These men are not the Democrat’s answer to Ann Coulter, they are the Democrat’s version of her.

Beware the DLC!!

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Jan05/Axford0106.htm

The History of Neo Fascism in America
ttp://deeperpolitics.gnn.tv/blogs/3221/The_History_of_Neo_fascism_in_America

From:

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1295

"Although Marshall calls himself a "centrist," he has associated himself with neoconservative organizations and their radical foreign policy agendas. At the onset of the Iraq invasion, Marshall signed statements issued by the Project for the New American Century calling for the removal of Saddam Hussein, advocating that NATO help "secure and destroy all of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction," and arguing that the invasion "can contribute decisively to the democratization of the Middle East." (7)

Marshall's credentials as a liberal hawk have been well established by his affinity for other PNAC-associated groups, including the U.S. Committee on NATO and the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq. Marshall served on the board of directors of the U.S. Committee on NATO alongside such leading neocon figures as Robert Kagan, Richard Perle, Randy Scheunemann, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Peter Rodman, Jeffrey Gedmin, Gary Schmitt, and the committee's founder and president Bruce Jackson of PNAC. (8) At the request of the Bush administration, PNAC's Bruce Jackson also formed the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, which, with DLC chairman Joseph Lieberman serving as co-chair together with John McCain, aimed to build bipartisan support for the liberation, occupation, and democratization of Iraq. Marshall, together with Robert Kerrey (who coauthored Progressive Internationalism), represented the liberal hawk wing of the Democratic Party on the committee's neocon-dominated advisory board. (9) Other advisers included James Woolsey, Elliot Cohen, Newt Gingrich, William Kristol, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Joshua Muravchik, Chris Williams, and Richard Perle.

On February 25, 2003, Marshall joined an array of neoconservatives marshaled by the Social Democrats/USA-a wellspring of neoconservative strategy-to sign a letter to President Bush calling for the invasion of Iraq. Marshall and others asked the president to "act alone if that proves necessary" and then, as a follow-up to a military-induced regime change in Iraq, to implement a democratization plan. The SD/USA letter urged the president to commit his administration to "maintaining substantial U.S. military forces in Iraq for as long as may be required to ensure a stable, representative regime is in place and functioning." Others signing the SD/USA letter included Hillel Fradkin, Rachelle Horowitz, Bruce Jackson, Penn Kemble, Robert Kagan, James Woolsey, Nina Shea, Michael Novak, Clifford May, and Ben Wattenberg. (10) (11)"

fits right into place with the new authorization of, the Patriot Act. ACLU better win this one, Secret Service being given more power to quash dissent.:scared:

"When asked for estimates on how long the president would travel the country to appear before military audiences, White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card noted that victory could take years to achieve."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/05/12/10_bush.html (last paragraph)

in the unlikely event that the people try to restore democracy in America.

People's worst fears about a tyrannical government could come true.

Slowly.

http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.htm

I still like the frog boil analogy tho

of making for money for the people in this administration. The surest way to STOP this economy is to have attacks in this country and respond with Martial Law. How does t his fit??? It is either one or the other...you can't have both.

subjectProdigal

About how either 1. The Military or 2. FEMA or 3. The U.N. was going to delcare martial law and take over America.

There ain't no truth to it.

This crowd will not give up power easily, for little things like the Constitutional provisions on succession. Watch the 2006 election. If the GOP "wins" again, martial law soon afterwards, so as to control even the supine mass media.

ever heard of the civil war. The country is split 50:50 red/blue.

Okaaaaay...

:freak:

When martial law was brought up. I would ask, what's Chimp going to do when Kerry wins, implement martial law to retain power? They would scatter and not respond to me at all on anything. It was almost like a magic code word for them to break off communication. I thought it was very strange, since it was in a joke like context, so I tried it again a few more times after a month went by, and received the very same result.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/082702_iraq.html

"Scowcroft also argued an attack on Baghdad would alienate the Arab world and would end much of the cooperation Washington has received in its current battle against Al Qaeda. "An attack on Iraq at this time would seriously jeopardize, if not destroy, the global terrorist campaign we have undertaken," wrote Scowcroft.
Henry Kissinger waded into the debate, urging caution and reminding the administration that there is no legal precedent for its war. "America's special responsibility, as the most powerful nation in the world, is to work toward an international system that rests on more than military power -- indeed, that strives to translate power into cooperation," Kissinger wrote in the Washington Post. Any other attitude will gradually isolate and exhaust America."

This isn't to say that we can trust Kissinger's comments. After all, this is a man who has had his fingers in every stinky pie created in recent history. Indeed, judging from a statement he made at a 1991 Bilderberger conference in Evians, France, an isolated and exhausted America might be precisely what Kissinger desires.

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful," Kissinger told the Bilderbergers, an international group made up of political and financial elites. "This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence…The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World government."

The New World Order! Poppy's dream!

Arch criminals escaped from the Arcan Asylum

calling Batman and Robin

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Rumsfeld_caught_dining_with_Kissinger_1212.html
Rumsfeld caught dining with Kissinger




Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and erstwhile Nixon Secretary of State and Vietnam War architect Henry Kissinger were caught dining together last Thursday at Washington's Bistro Bis, ROLL CALL reports Monday. Excerpts:

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The former secretary of State arrived first and waited a good 15 minutes for Rummy. While he waited, sources say he ordered a Virgin Mary. (Who knows, maybe Kissinger wanted to stay sober to remember the moment in the event Rumsfeld apologized for that little spat that dates back to the day when he accused Kissinger of being too slow to pull out of Vietnam.)

Rummy drank white wine, our sources say. And it appeared they had a “chummy, nice, relaxing dinner,” said Angela Phelps, director of publicity at Regnery Publishing, who dined at a nearby table.

Kissinger has long been criticized for his role in the Vietnam War and his support for a military junta accused of atrocities in Chile. Some have said he should be tried for war crimes; among those leading the charge is conservative iconoclast Christopher Hitchens.

Nixon's right hand was a major player in the orchestration of the U.S. bombing of Cambodia during the Vietnam War, which sought to stem the flow of North Vietnamese guerillas into Southern Vietnam. The bombings ignited mass protests in the United States, and contributed to Cambodia's civil war.

Kissinger won the 1973 Nobel Peace Prize for negotiating a ceasefire to end the war in Vietnam. He now leads a consulting firm.

Zeller Schwartz Katz sounds about right for Herr Rumsfeldt, but I'd have pegged Sir Henry for a vodka swilling type. Henry always reminds me of "Boris Badenov," when he speaks. I'll bet Rummy fetched along his own bottle, to drink on the cheap. Sometimes I really do wonder, where those two blood sucking guys hide their coffins in the daytime? Kissinger must be 400 years old by now!

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful," Kissinger told the Bilderbergers, an international group made up of political and financial elites. "This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence…The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World government."

Hey dbeach Good to see ya !

Kissinger a truly Evil individual....

n/t

Makes you wonder if they were part of the "master plan" too.

Ok For those of you who think "martial law" will be too expensive and feel they can count on greed to save thier ass...

This is a long list of links going through debt slavery ,prison profits the drug wars and the economy,wage garnishing,inflation,nonlethal weapons, tort reform and you can see if you follow the"daisy chain" of links where this goes.



Prisons. Free labor. Slave Labor.
Just how many people are in prison for bullshit?
http://www.cjcj.org/pubs/one_million/onemillion.html
http://www.unknownnews.org/051213a-Frank.html

Debtor Prisons
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/15/133...
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/01/07/152...

Wage garnishing..With no healthcare,and piddly wages and no retirement and rising unrecoderd inflation.....WTF?
http://www.fair-debt-collection.com/state-wage-garnishm...
Medical debt can lead to wage slavery,
http://www.bcsalliance.com/y_debt_medical.html


Who's profiting from crime?
http://www.thewinds.org/1996/12/modern_slavery.html
http://mediafilter.org/caq/Prison.html
Bush and prison profits
http://www.pww.org/past-weeks-2000/Gov.%20George%20W.%2...
The drug war is bullshit
http://www.strike-the-root.com/51/mccorkle/mccorkle2.ht...


More about this mess
http://www.theinternationalforecaster.com/trainwreck.ph...
http://www.prudentbear.com/archive_comm_article.asp?cat...
http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/soft/nonlethal.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/or/mctrl/nonlethal.html

Tort reform protects the government from lawsuits from people hurt by non lethal weapons..
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0219-20.htm

Non lethal weapons as crowd control increase civilian anger which leads to more arrests and since the law does not care about victims rights anymore..it leads to riots or rebellion. If rioteers and rebels get caught this makes for more SLAVES..Money for nuthin..Confiscate any land you want,the people living there are fucked..
and get your chix n'stuff for free..
and nobody to tell you what you can and cannot do.
ahh the life of an unfettered"lord" awaits these monsters..

These bastards are like organized crime. They wouldn't do anything to disrupt the dollars flowing in, so control would slide in unobtrusively as a response to something else. Moreover, one only needs to control a few key industries (like energy) to effectively control the entire country. Government already controls or regulates alot of things that could be easily manipulated to advantage by a despot (like the FCC, or Transporation).
Unrest is a bad thing; the sheep must keep toiling and consuming, BUT they must stay asleep, so the trouble makers must be dealt with....all of them. Dispose of them quietly if possible, but another attack of some sort would be great way to take care of the problem: "See what you traitorous bastards did ! Because of your failure to support the cause, we got attacked again ."
Then it's easy to use military tribunals against the citizens, with all the little sheep screaming their support...

Sadly, it was by a Democrat, Wilson. It was illegal to criticize the gov't, and he had the AG organize citizens to spy on each other to report unpatriotic behavior. Tens of thousands of people joined the domestic spying. But the country survived and bounced back.