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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 07:49 PM
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Calling Ex-COn DUERS: Did prison suck ? Wouldn't death be a relief versus
lifelong imprisonment? Just wondering.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 07:53 PM
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1. I have done prison outreach
and you'd be surprised how quickly men acclimate, and their boundaries shrink and within five years they are actually afraid of the outside.

I'm not saying it is a walk in the park, but they are still alive and they have a life. Just a whole different world view, I guess you could say.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 07:55 PM
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2. Maybe the righttolifers ignore dp cases because they assume
the prisoners "turn gay" in prison.
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Ptah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:02 PM
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8. Well spoken, TallahasseeGrannie.
Thanks.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 07:56 PM
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3. I would support abolishing the DP if and only if
Edited on Mon Dec-12-05 07:57 PM by tritsofme
Convicted murderers spent life in prison doing gruelingly hard and fruitless labor in safe, but very unfavorable conditions, and with very little to no monetary reward for their work.

I consider current prison conditions to be far too comfortable for these scum of the earth.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 07:57 PM
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4. does working out in the weight room count?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 07:59 PM
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6. You've never been in a prison or jail have you?
Edited on Mon Dec-12-05 08:05 PM by merh
Or had your freedom and all of your privacy and independence taken from you?

Sorry, I think you ought to go check it out before you make such uninformed statements

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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:51 PM
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9. Spending a few hours in Jail was more than enough for me.
I've had my privacy inveded and ym freedoms taken away in other, more incidious fahsions and never liked it. I found out that one of my employers over the past few years literally went into my computer and went through my files without permission, then judged and fired me.

I think Prisoners should be required to do something to serve society, even if they are being forced to do tasks in some form of an 8 hour day, wether it be repairing roads, doing mind numbing paperwork, building habitats for the poor or anything else of the millions of jobs that could be done by prisoners for 8 hours a day that serves the greater good and also developes useful skills that can be used outside of the prison system.

To me it is bad enough that they lose freedom, privacy, self control over their lives in many ways. I'd have no problem if a convict gets the options of taking distance learning classes from a college along with working too if they want, just so long as they are contibuting to society, 99% of the prisoners in our system could be rehabilitated, I believe, with the proper motivation, treatment and training.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:50 PM
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10. Most are required to work while in prison, actually most
Edited on Mon Dec-12-05 10:16 PM by merh
prefer to work rather than sit on their asses all day in a stinky, uncomfortable cell with hardly a mattress and nothing to do.

You want to know what is the most ironic thing about rehabilation? The Israeli prison system has the most successful rehabilation record/lowest recidivism rate percentage wise than any other nation on the planet. Our "christian" nation ain't even close to reaching their record, let alone bettering it.

The sounds, the lack of freedom and personal comfort, the cold, the heat, the meals, the lack of privacy, the fear all make prison a rotten experience.

And oddly enough, when Clarence Darrow defended two murders (Leopold and Loeb) and was arguing to the jury that they should not be hung for their evil crime (they killed a young boy to commit the perfect crime) he argued that it was much crueler to remove them for society and make them spend the rest of their lives in prison.


Prison ain't no picnic, no matter what you may read or hear. It is the breeding ground for more crime and it makes criminals even worse citizens, it makes them animals and/or doesn't prepare them for life outside of the institutional living. It is a dumping ground, a wasteland that doesn't care about recycling.



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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:01 PM
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7. I believe there has to be a balance
because you have taken the person's most valuable possession: freedom. They shouldn't be on easy street, but they need to be allowed to do something with their lives that might redeem them..in their own eyes, or if they are believers, in God's.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:54 PM
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11. I think the constant threat of being raped
Makes conditions very unfavorable. It deterred me from committing any serious felonies when I turned 18.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:59 PM
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12. I would assume that the cold blooded killers
are the ones doing the raping more often than not.

I suppose I could also support life in solitary confinement, never again seeing daylight.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 07:58 PM
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5. Some guys do crimes to get back in prison. It's a safe place. There's
lots of comradery. If its all you know... its all you know. I think the deciding factor is what kind of prison... minimum/medium/maximum security. Big differences.
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