Weird Question: Calif is liberal. DU is liberal. Why does CA have the DP?

BigBearJohn

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Mon Dec-12-05 08:40 PM
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Weird Question: Calif is liberal. DU is liberal. Why does CA have the DP?

Edited on Mon Dec-12-05 08:46 PM by BigBearJohn

Assuming, of course, that most liberals are against the DP? (death penalty)

Don't hit me... just wondering.

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Fenris

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Mon Dec-12-05 08:41 PM
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1. California might not be as liberal as you think.

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WilliamPitt

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Mon Dec-12-05 08:42 PM
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2. Orange County

Edited on Mon Dec-12-05 08:43 PM by WilliamPitt

California is not some wonderland of liberalism. A lot of the California-is-liberal stuff comes apropriately from the northern part of the state. There are excellent liberals in the southern part of California, to be sure. But politically, the place is pretty divided. The north is more blue, the south is more red, with pockets of both in each.

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tlsmith1963

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Mon Dec-12-05 08:45 PM
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4. San Diego Certainly Isn't Liberal

I know--I live there. :P

Tammy

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GRLMGC

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Mon Dec-12-05 09:08 PM
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6. I disagree

The coast is liberal. Most of the interior, besides one county that I can think of, votes Republican. Orange County, San Luis Obispo County, Ventura County, and San Diego are exceptions. I know those are in Southern and Central CA but the whole of Northern CA isn't a liberal wonderland either.

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Sapphocrat

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Mon Dec-12-05 09:44 PM
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12. And the entire Central Valley.

And everything northeast of San Francisco. Everything. The only oasis is Chico, and that's debatable.

You know how surprised the rest of the world was about *'s mishandling of Katrina? Well, California has more than its share of dirty little secrets... like the scumbags who burned new neighbors out of their home near Paradise, CA, 'cause didn't want to share their piece of the dungheap with no dang Nee-groes. :mad:

If it were up to me, we'd cut off everything east of Berkeley, build a high wall around Orange County, and live in peace. (Hey, we've got enough arable land of our own.)

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I Have A Dream

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Mon Dec-12-05 08:43 PM
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3. Self-deleted. n/t

Edited on Mon Dec-12-05 08:47 PM by I Have A Dream

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tx_dem41

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Mon Dec-12-05 08:45 PM
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5. Because according to this poll a majority of Democrats and liberals...

Edited on Mon Dec-12-05 08:46 PM by tx_dem41

support the death penalty.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=23&did=1266

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Telly Savalas

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Mon Dec-12-05 09:11 PM
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7. What's the matter with Kansas?

The State of California has executed 11 people since 1976.

Kansas hasn't executed anybody in that time.

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HardWorkingDem

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Tue Dec-13-05 04:14 AM
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21. Oh, yeah...can top that...my state of Illinois has freed at least...

13 from death row..........(now, I don't think that says something good for Illinois at all)....

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dmkinsey

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Mon Dec-12-05 09:19 PM
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8. link to historical information

http://www.corr.ca.gov/CommunicationsOffice/CapitalPunishment/history_of_capital.asp

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troubleinwinter

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Mon Dec-12-05 09:33 PM
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9. I wish CA was as liberal as you think. Remember who brought you Ronnie?

California Governors:

Pat Brown (D) 1959 - 1967

Reagan 1967 (R) 1967 - 1975

Jerry Brown (D) 1975 - 1983

Deukmejian (R) 1983 - 1991

Wilson (R) 1991 - 1999

Davis 1999 (D) - 2003

Schwarzenegger (R) 2003 - 2007

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RagingInMiami

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Mon Dec-12-05 09:59 PM
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14. I may live in a red state

But I live in the blue part

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cantstandbush

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Mon Dec-12-05 09:40 PM
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10. Perhaps most of CA voters are racist? n/t

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troubleinwinter

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Mon Dec-12-05 10:09 PM
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16. That's a pretty strange comment.

CALIFORNIA POPULATION BY RACE 2000 CENSUS

White 46.7%
Black 6.4%
Native American .05%
Asian 10.5%
Pacific Islander .3%
Other .2%
Multirace 2.7%
Hispanic or Latino 32.4%

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Journeyman

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Tue Dec-13-05 04:10 AM
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19. I'm perplexed here. . .

Are you saying California is not racist because it has a diverse ethnic population? That too would be a pretty strange comment.

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Moochy

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Mon Dec-12-05 11:20 PM
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18. So clever!

Edited on Mon Dec-12-05 11:20 PM by Moochy

get it? I didnt.

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Warren DeMontague

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Mon Dec-12-05 09:41 PM
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11. I think your assumption may be wrong

I don't know if most 'liberals' are against the DP.

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Pushed To The Left

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Mon Dec-12-05 09:55 PM
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13. Dislike of violent criminals

crosses party lines. While I no longer support the death penalty due to my concern over wrongful convictions, I used to be strongly in favor, even as little as 2 years ago!

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dsc

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Mon Dec-12-05 10:06 PM
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15. Chief Justice Byrd of the California Supreme Court

was thrown out for single handedly stopping the death penalty in California. Sadly, I think that more liberals favor the death penalty than you think.

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pinto

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Mon Dec-12-05 11:17 PM
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17. It's a big state. Not as liberal as many assume, esp on State issues.

And, on the State issues, Republicans routinely have a better voter turn out than Dems...

That's how we got Arnold as Gov.

There's light at the end of that tunnel though - the Governor's "Special Election" of propositions got soundly defeated this year and it was Dem Party turnout that made the difference.

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HardWorkingDem

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Tue Dec-13-05 04:12 AM
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20. Actually, I think this is a good question......

looking forward to some responses....

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KingFlorez

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Tue Dec-13-05 04:20 AM
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22. Not really a way to define liberalism

Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 04:23 AM by KingFlorez

A lot of people on both sides support the death penalty and alot of people on both sides oppose it. It's not really an ideological thing. Look at Kansas, ultra-conservative, but the death penalty was overturned

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Raine

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Tue Dec-13-05 04:32 AM
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23. People here

are scared of crime, I think that's it in a nutshell.

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rman

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Tue Dec-13-05 04:40 AM
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24. Cali people are liberal, but its political leadership is not.

Peculiar aint it.
So much for democracy.

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