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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:50 PM
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One murderer dies at midnight as another sleeps soundly in the White House
The one who denies killing four people will die while the other one who admits to killing 30,000 people lives on to kill many more.

Kill four people and you are a murderer. Kill 30,000 people and you are a popular war time president.

Strange world we live in.

Don
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:55 PM
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1. In a nutshell... nt
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:57 PM
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2. And we have proof to the latter, as well. But hey
who's looking, right?

K/R. Good post, great point.
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Dances with Cats Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:58 PM
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3. That is the most SENSIBLE post
I've read in a while!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:58 PM
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4. I know, Don.....Sad World we live in....
without us, here, maybe it could be WORSE...although that's hard to imagine..even though what I imagine always ends us being worse than I thought.

Anyway, thanks for saying it...it needed to be said.
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Dances with Cats Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:00 PM
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5. somebody tell me how I can vote for this thread....
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:00 PM
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6. Indeed...
Is there no justice?
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Dances with Cats Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:08 PM
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7. kickin this
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:10 PM
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8. I was just about to post the same thing.
Weird world in which we live.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:13 PM
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9. How's it go.....
Kill a few and you're a Murderer.
Kill thousands and you're a Crusader.
Kill 'em all and you're a God.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:22 PM
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45. Didn't Stalin say "One death is a tragedy, one million a statistic."
That's what these people are to the Bush administration - Statistics.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:14 PM
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10. Perfect.....voted and kicked! n/t
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WarNoMore Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:18 PM
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11. Sp patheically true. n/t
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:19 PM
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12. Brilliant!!!
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:20 PM
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13. "Kill four people and you are a murderer" ---- Damn Right You Are
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:21 PM
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14. give the poor guy a break
he Likes his naps.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 01:02 AM
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35. Ssshhhit. He likes his sedatives
I'm just sayin'. :D
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:23 PM
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15. To have even planned what Bush has done qualifies him as a war criminal.
Edited on Mon Dec-12-05 09:25 PM by understandinglife
Just goes to show you that if you are going to be a major league criminal, it's best to be white, and have massive amounts of $$$, and a bunch of co-criminal enablers as legislators and judges - oh, and a bunch of corporatists profiting massively from your war crimes, as well as, other crimes against your country and humanity.

Recommended.


Peace.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:25 PM
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16. Margie Schoedinger
I will NEVER let her be forgotten!
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ken_g Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:25 PM
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17. I tried to make a similar point in a post....
but I think I mucked it up. People thought I was putting out a conspiracy theory
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5582027>

My basic point: Brent Wilkes, one of the bribers of Duke Cunningham, was involved in the CIA cocaine trade of Iran-Contra. Tookie Williams (among others) as cofounder of Crips, distributed that and used the profits to grow the gang.

Brent Wilkes gives money to Schwazenegger, gets 2 appointments to State boards.
Tookie Williams on the other hand Dies tonight, on the 1 year anniversary of Gary Webb's suicide. Gary Webb broke the story of the Iran-Contra cocaine connection.

These people are all about death and power. And they ride in Limo's, and walk the streets free.

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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:28 PM
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18. Don't worry Bush would never think to ask for forgiveness
thus he will BURN IN HELL!
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:31 PM
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19. recommended!!!!!!!!
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:39 PM
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20. Bingo.
At last - someone who gets it.

Wat
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:42 PM
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Spot on! n/t
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:42 PM
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21. Spot on! n/t
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:56 PM
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22. A little perspective please.
1. Born with a silver spoon up one's nose.
2. Attend Andover Academy, then on to Yale via affirmative action disguised as a "legacy" program. Be a C- student.
3. Have a longer arrest record than this (me or my spouse) average 'Murikan and it's no big deal.
4. Graduate (supposedly) from Harvard Business School and then proceed to F*^%up every business you come into contact with and be labeled a success.
5. Be a drunken (confirmed) cokehead (for a time anyway) until the age of 40, after the age that most experimentation would have ended. (Being married and having 2 daughters didn't put a halt to that). At which time political convenience dictates that one must LOUDLY scream "praise Jesus" as if one didn't have a conscience or a sense of right and wrong prior to this mysterious event, consequently many people decide to give you a pass and decide that you should be POTUS. Okay enough people decide to vote for you and the UnSupreme Court makes a 5-4 decision on your behalf.

THEN you get to kill innocent Iraqis, maim thousands more, LIE your ass off to send over 2100 troops to their deaths, maim approx. 48K more, find innovative ways to torture, still LOUDLY screaming how christian you are, even as you act like the face of evil, THEN you get to sleep soundly in the White House.

OTOH, be born into poverty, make some HUGE mistakes. Turn things around and try to do something positive, actually seek to keep people from making the same mistakes, get nominated for a peace price. The choice is to allow you to continue to spend the rest of your life in prison where you could continue to try to be a positive influence on society, or the death penalty....and you get death.

See how this works now?

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:59 PM
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23. With God on his side.
:sarcasm:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:59 PM
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24. When the crime becomes large enough, prosecution becomes impossible...
You see, the "How did we let this happen" thing comes into play....
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:00 PM
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25. Yup. The poor man dies. The rich man lives--to kill, loot, torture and
and lie with impunity, and to have his ass kissed by handpicked toadies and the lapdogs of the corporate press.

And it was a lot more than 30,000. ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, by US bombs alone, according to the British doctors' report.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:05 PM
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26. That's the truth.
Bush and Tookie are stone killers. One uses a pen and the other a shotgun. Only one will pay for his crimes and it is wrong.
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:06 PM
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27. The popular war time chimp.
Picking pockets, flinging poop and giggling while murdering 30,000 plus.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:06 PM
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28. Well someone finally makes some sense of it! K & R!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:06 PM
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29. Strange world.
Interesting observation.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:26 PM
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30. And so far it seems the DU Poll on this is 79% that Tookie shouldn't die..
yet from all the posts over the weekend one would have thought that the reverse was true because of all the vocal posts calling for his death as retribution.

It does make one wonder....

Anyway...I thought the purpose of prison was "Rehabilitation." I guess somewhere along the way in American Society that concept got lost or thrown out with Patriot Act. :-(
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:14 AM
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31. There are two issues here.
Some people believe Tookie shouldn't be executed. But maybe someone else should.

Some people believe the death penalty is far more evil, or has the potential to be far more evil, than Tookie. They are opposed to the death penalty

I'm with the latter group. Tookie isn't one of my areas of exp0ertise and I don't much care if he's guilty as hell or pure as the driven snow.

Letting the state practice, as a matter of law, premeditated executions is sociopathic.

But then again, we have a sociopath as the head of state so I assume there is a relationship there.
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Im with Rosey Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 08:02 AM
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43. I agree with your position and also
think it is important to note that some are not convinced of Tookies guilt. Also worth noting that in January there will be consideration of how we should look at snitche's testimony. Tookie was put to death based on snitches that have been questioned about their "reliability". In 1 month's time, we will have more information on the validity of testimony of snitchs. Not only is Arnold a disgrace to my state just because, but he didn't have the courage to avoid the political agenda that goes with this decision.
I am with you, I'm not sure of Tookies guilt, but I am sure of the disgusting way our system fails so many.

Oh Yeah, I am still hopeful we will see bushco face a jury of OUR peers.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:37 AM
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32. kick
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:38 AM
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33. There is one difference.
While they both are murderers, Tookie isn't a traitor.
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:57 AM
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34. Thank you! Tis indeed a strange world these days. n/t
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 01:08 AM
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36. Well said. K&R.
RIP Tookie. I don't agree with all you've done but I don't believe killing you is the answer. Thanks for trying to make it up.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 01:24 AM
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37. Exactly! Don't forget the blood on his hands
from the thousands dead from 9/11 and Katrina....

All while he read My Pet Goat and Strummed a Guitar. :puke:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 01:25 AM
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38. spot on n/t
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 01:32 AM
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39. I agree
In fact I made that point in a different thread. Great minds.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 01:33 AM
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40. You got that right NNN0LHI!!!
My sentiments exactly.

And add to the 30,000 the soldiers from the US and abroad who got caught up in the crossfire and were killed or maimed for life.
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i have issues Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 01:38 AM
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41. Thank you
I've been wracking my brain for hours trying to think of something as simple, eloquent and intelligent as your post. 1hour and 13minutes. sigh.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 06:54 AM
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42. I just remarked about that on another post.
Bush admitting to "around 30,000 Iraqi deaths". I wonder if he gets a boner thinking about his lies to start an elective war that has lead directly to the deaths of 30,000 largely innocent Iraqi's? I think he's such a twisted bastard that he probably does..

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 08:34 AM
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44. Says it all Don...and you know 30,000 probably ain't half the number
Bush is a psychopathic murderer.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:09 PM
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46. George W. Bush. Liar. Mass Murderer. War Criminal.
I'm with you - I don't get how a lying war criminal can get away and not be tried for crimes against humanity.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:13 PM
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47. One has money and rich friends. One does not.
Guess who gets screwed?
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