Where are Arnold's Bishops? Deny him communion

Okay correct me if I am wrong but Arnold is a Catholic, correct? Catholic teachings the last time I checked were against the death penality? Why hasn't the church denied the governator communion for being a pro death penality politician? Not I am not taking shots at christians or catholics just the policy makers who raked John Kerry over the coals during the last election. Cmon people lets have some continuity.

Nary a word from the holy ones

the baby is born and grows up into a man, it's not an important enough of a matter to deny communion.

He'd better not be eatin' them holy wafers!

Republicans don't get denied communion it seems, no matter what they do.

yet he is a "blessed" Republican. They get passes from the US "Catholic" media.

Remember if it is not abortion or anything homosexual related it really does not matter.

:sarcasm:

also.?

and we have not heard one peep from any of the Catholic Bishops who like to make all these public pronoucements. It only matters if you have a D and not an R next to your name.

the next time my family wants me to go to mass with them. Unless you know the old saying where money lies honor dies.

Just another typical hypocritical fundie repuke.

Cmon really how could that have happened.

I made the same mistake, and when I checked it out, it seems that the Catholic Church leaves itself wiggle room about a mile wide on the death penalty. They are not opposed to it. They are more correctly categorized as 'less than enthusiastic about its use, but sometimes it is just dandy'.

I say to hell with all organized religions. Ethics? Not really. Pillars of civilzation? More like the one of the chief rationalizations for human-on-human violence for the last 2-3000 years or so.

used too? I think they emphasise whats in need of political expiedency.

http://www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/indianadeathpenalty.htm

(note URL)

"IS IT EVER APPROPRIATE?

Pope John Paul II, in his encyclical Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life) says that punishment "ought not go to the extreme of executing the offender except in cases of absolute necessity," that is, only when it would be otherwise impossible to defend society. And the pope teaches that such cases of absolute necessity where society cannot be defended in any other way are "very rare, if not practically nonexistent." (#56) That view is echoed in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which applies the principle of self-defense to the protection of society, and states:

"Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

"If however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity with the dignity of the human person.

"Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm without definitively taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity are very rare, if not practically nonexistent." (#2267)

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Thereby making the death penality null and void in catholic doctorine?

so there is no reason he should be executed. Not necessarily set free but not killed.

However, as others have asked, why are american bishops not demanding the withholding of communion from politicians as they did with abortion? The answer is obviously that the official opposition to the death penalty comes with various caveats that make it less than prohibited. Just read that quoted passage. It is such artfully constructed wiggle-mania. I only wish I could write that well, but then again I was deprived the discipline of jesuit teachers in my youth.

Men of good will may disagree is what they say, so if you want to do it , it's ok, I guess

Some people were afraid of a Catholic for POTUS as he might be forced to do things under the threat of excommunication. JFK had to persuade people that his Catholism would not govern him as POTUS. Now, for a temporary, minor, political advantage, you want to set us back 45 years?

I think if thier going to force the democrats to uphold the letter of church law that the republicans should be forced to bear equal if not greater burden. Especially considering how self righteous and voicetrous the repubs can be when proclaiming thier christianity.

Trying to bring a person's religion into a political argument is like the "One Ring" in the Lord of the Rings. It corrupts all who claim it.

to corrupt me. You are wise beyond your years master Baggins. :D

...over the separation of church and state. I am a Fundamentalist too, so I can critize from the inside. It goes something like this:

Friend wants the gov't to enacts something or the other that is part of the moral code of the Bible. I disagree and my speach goes: The Church must NEVER reach for politic power. When she does that, she will always attract to herself people who have no interest whatsoever in the Gospel, but every interest in the political power. And so the gospel will be prostituted for power, and the Church will become corrupt. It is OK for an individual to seek political office, but NEVER OK for the church as a group.

The two must stay separate, or great evil will result.

Did you miss all of 2004 and the constant drumbeat against "pro-abortion" politicians? Any Catholic Democrat has been beaten over the head on this issue by some regressive bishops. If they want to restrict Kerry et al, then Republicans should also be held to the same standard.

Of course I do agree with you 100% with JFK.

about episcopalians recieving communion at mass? And the same question goes to catholic layity who support pro choice pro gay rights and pro stem cell positions. I wasnt clear because i may have to attend rc mass with my family this xmas and didnt know what the rules are. Let me know thru reply or post. Thanks Danny.

as the latest bishop large meeting upheld the inter-demonation ban on communion. Now on the pratical side is that NOBODY WILL KNOW. There is no ID card when you come up for it. Nobody will check, espically on full house Chrismas masses and you are a visitor and nobody knows you. Just fit in with everyone else and you will be fine.

There are no bans on communion over any of the pro-choice, pro-gay rights, or pro-stem cell positions as of now. Only the most anal legalistic people really care and they are in a small minority, though they do make a racket in other ways. Most average church going Catholics are not as vocal or inane as the few noisy nuts.

Edit: Well, maybe there are isolated local bans on those issues, but it varies by Diocese and each local bishop. But the first paragraph still pertains. There is no long background check in the communion line, espically large, full, holiday masses where you are a vistor.