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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:47 PM
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Why don't we let the family of the victims kill Tookie?
Won't that provide more closure to the family? Knowing that vengence has been served? That's why we have the death penalty, right? What other reason for it is there? Let the victims family inject the poision. I'm sure they'll sleep better at night.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:49 PM
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1. Maybe we should let them beat and torture him first. Or kill him how he
killed their family members. Oh, and videotape it so they can give it out as Xmas gifts. :)
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:52 PM
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4. Good idea
And then let's sell advertising space in the death chamber, and then broadcast it on national tv. The profit will go to help pay for all the legal expenses he racked up, trying to weasel out of his crimes!

Hell, let's just use a guillotine in the public square.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:53 PM
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6. Pay Per View. n/t
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:57 PM
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8. Think of the revenues! Murdoch could make millions.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:59 PM
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11. EXTREME EXECUTIONS! Live on PPV!
Hey, why not? He's a monster and getting what he deserves! Why prevent noble capitalists from profiting from his righteous death?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:01 PM
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13. It might raise
funds for school children's lunch programs. Much like the lottery in NYS, just different.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:02 PM
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14. Exactly. The damn communist socialist class warfare liberals just don't
want the free market to help out the poor old capitalist. If the public wants it, they can have it (and pay for it too)!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:05 PM
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20. Perhaps Pat Robertson ....
as a warning to those opposed to Christmas. I see this as closely tied to prayer being taken out of school.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:08 PM
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23. The issue is one in the same
If kids were forced to pray and believe in Jesus, murder rates would drop overnight. No Christian in history has ever committed murder (though that doesn't mean they don't support assassination).
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:10 PM
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25. Assassinating an infidel is not murder--it is god's work.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:15 PM
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29. Killing infidels is indeed God's work.
Just look what Fidels's done in Cuba. Once a Christian nation, before radical socialists came and taught the devil's theories on race mixing. Better dead than red.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:29 PM
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34. Exactly. Kill them all, and box it up nicely to sell as a series box set
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:12 PM
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26. School uniforms.
And more testing. Jesus was in favor of school uniforms, and taught that forgiveness was for losers.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:00 PM
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12. Those who are
outraged by the lack of government response to "Silence of the Lambs" could sleep better.

Murdoch? Don King is my choice. Though a murderer himself, he has millions and millions, and donates to republicans.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:50 PM
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2. Then the state wouldn't be doing the killing
thus taking away one of the anti-death penalty people's arguments.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:53 PM
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7. Really? I'm sure the anti-dp people are big on vigilante justice.
It's one of their main talking points, right?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:50 PM
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3. Well I guess if it has too be done, they should be the ones to do it.
I doubt I could, I doubt I could even watch. But then, thankfully I have never been there and I hope I never am.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:02 PM
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15. Outsource that violence to the state
silly barbarian! :)
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:53 PM
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5. Because THAT is barbaric tribalism
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:58 PM
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9. One of the family members does not support his execution.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:02 PM
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16. What the hell is wrong with them?
Are they communists, or something?
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:03 PM
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17. Maybe they are socialists.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:59 PM
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10. Sounds somewhat Medieval but I have always thought that if...
potential murderers knew their final punishment would mirror the crime there might be some second thoughts.

After all it is all about prevention and cutting down on like crimes, right?
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:04 PM
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19. Did I miss the irony icon here?
You've missed the posts about how the death penalty isn't a deterrent, right?

Because it's not, the DP is only about vengeance, not justice.
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:04 PM
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18. Because it is not about vengence. Its about Justice
Letting the victims choose the punishment and carry it out would change the justice system to a vengence system.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:06 PM
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21. How does killing him provide justice?
He's doing more good than harm locked up in jail.
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:10 PM
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24. How does locking him up provide Justice?
How does paying money to the polic department mean justice when Im caught speeding?

Its crime and punishment. As defined by the voters and people of California.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:13 PM
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27. He's off the streets, not killing, advocating against the life he led
What's the difference between justice and vengence in this case?
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:15 PM
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30. If he's dead, he'll also be off the streets, not killing
and his death will be a good argument against the life that he led.

Prison and the DP is about punishment for crimes. I think dying or being locked up both qualify as punishment.

Feel free to disagree that the DP is an appropriate form of justice.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:18 PM
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31. He's off the streets without killing him
What will his death actually say to people? Change and we'll kill you anyway?
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:25 PM
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33. It says Kill and you will be killed
Edited on Mon Dec-12-05 11:26 PM by Fescue4u

Is that a morally convient message? Perhaps it is? I do not deny the logical inconsistency of the DP.

Nonethless, I don't believe he has changed.

He still refuses to accept responsibility for his crimes.

He refuses to give police details of the gang that they could use to bring it down.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:06 PM
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22. I could loan them 4 of my guns...
...
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:15 PM
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28. At least one family member does not agree with his execution. n/t
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Dances with Cats Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:19 PM
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32. he'd kick all their asses....
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:47 PM
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35. For many reasons.
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