Murder Is Wrong And It Is Evil... - Democratic Underground

Stephist

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Tue Dec-13-05 01:26 AM
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Murder Is Wrong And It Is Evil...

Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 01:46 AM by Stephist

And the only way to punish someone who has committed murder is to murder him/her. I've got to admit that the logic behind this kind of thinking has me baffled.

But then i've never been too smart
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wake.up.america

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Tue Dec-13-05 01:30 AM
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1. Well, we all have to live with ourselves. I believe, as you do. there is

something inherently evil in executions. It is a society's way of admitting failure.

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f-bush

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Tue Dec-13-05 01:32 AM
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2. Murder is wrong SPECIALLY when the state sanctions it.

Murder is murder. I have not seen one realistic comprehensive study showing that the death penalty has lowered the violent crime rate. What I have seen is the death penalty apprlied in an uneven and capricious manner. One in which politicians pander to their constituents baser instincts and one in which prosecutors and judges use it to climb over the dead bodies to higher office. If the right wing wants to be consistent in it's "sanctity of life" pledge, how come they are so jubilent and gung ho to execute people?

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Broken_Hero

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Tue Dec-13-05 01:36 AM
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4. just a clarifiaction...

what do you mean,"Murder is Murder."....

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f-bush

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Tue Dec-13-05 02:04 AM
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13. Clarification

What I meant was that the "State" likes to give it fancy nice sounding name when it does it like "legally sactioned execution" however IMHO that is even worse than "street" murder. Our nation is supposed to be enlightened so to speak but we are one of only a very few Western nations that still uses execution and until recently we applied that to juveniles and those who are mentally challenged. What kind of statement does that make about us to the rest of the world?

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Broken_Hero

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Tue Dec-13-05 02:11 AM
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15. Okay, thanks n/t

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KitchenWitch

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Tue Dec-13-05 01:35 AM
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3. I am as baffled as you, my friend!

It goes right back to "Why do we hit children to teach children that hitting people is bad?"

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ugarte

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Tue Dec-13-05 01:38 AM
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5. When they start executing rich white people

I'll start believing U.S. justice is even-handed. Has anyone anywhere seen a well-to-do white murderer put to death?

To be on Death Row in this country means you got yourself a bad lawyer, which means you're probably too poor to get a good one.

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TahitiNut

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Tue Dec-13-05 01:41 AM
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6. 37,879 murder convictions in Texas between 1977 and 1999

... and 'only' 776 death sentences. Obviously, a death sentence is NOT the 'only' way to punish someone who has committed murder, even in one of the most blood-thirsty states in the country.

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montana500

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Tue Dec-13-05 01:44 AM
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7. Life can be a bitch.

And when someone ends someone else's life on purpose, it's only fair to return the favor. It also gives a sense of closure to the victims families involved, which IMHO is the most important thing.

There are much worse ways for one to die, like slow gunshot trauma, strangling or disease.

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ugarte

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Tue Dec-13-05 01:48 AM
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8. Yeah, it's a bitch to be poor and have a lousy lawyer

'Cause they're the only ones getting executed.

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montana500

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Tue Dec-13-05 01:52 AM
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11. I agree with you, and that's a different argument.

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Stephist

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Tue Dec-13-05 01:49 AM
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9. So at 12:07 The victims will suddenly awaken from the dead?

This doesn't provide closure it's just makes the death toll rise to 5 instead of 4.

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montana500

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Tue Dec-13-05 01:51 AM
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10. I think most victims families would disagree with you.

The death penalty is not a good thing. But it serves it's purpose. Is it the human race at it's most advanced? Not really. But if humans were that far evolved, they wouldn't be killing each other in the first place.

We have a long way to go.

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Stephist

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Tue Dec-13-05 01:53 AM
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12. Most vicims familes honestly think it will bring closure

only to discover that it doesn't.

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Behind the Aegis

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Tue Dec-13-05 02:30 AM
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21. For some, but not all.

I agree that many would still find no closure. Others would, rightly or wrongly. It was my mom that turned me against the DP when I was a child. She said, "how will killing another person undo the hurt and pain s/he caused you? It won't. That pain will always be there and if you are really the loving person I believe you to be, why would you want another family (the murder's family) to feel what you do? Where does their closure come?" Make no mistake, she and I have still that human emotion of vengeance, but we both hope that we would be able to harness it before we allowed for something we were opposed to, to happen.

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f-bush

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Tue Dec-13-05 02:56 AM
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25. My sentiments exactly

Thank you-I feel the same way. It is abhorrent to me that I would be some how complacent (through silence or use voluntary use of our taxes) to cause the death of someone else. That just perpetuates the cycle of violence.

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Behind the Aegis

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Tue Dec-13-05 02:09 AM
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14. But what is evil?

You say murder is wrong and evil. What if someone kills a home intruder? What if a victim kills his/her rapist in the act? Are those murders wrong or evil?

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Stephist

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Tue Dec-13-05 02:20 AM
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16. And your point is?

:shrug:

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Behind the Aegis

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Tue Dec-13-05 02:24 AM
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18. Well...you say that murder is wrong and evil...

...so what is evil, per se? Who gets to decide? My general rule is: your rights end where my nose begins. However, that doesn't make someone who violates that rule evil. I guess I am asking why say something is evil and cast the specter of morality on it, instead o just saying it is contrary to a productive society.

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InaneAnanity

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Tue Dec-13-05 02:32 AM
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23. I agree

I think "evil" is, not only an incorrect term to use in any case, but also a lazy term, and a stupid term. What does it really describe, other than connotate some sort of moral authority by the speaker over the described??

I think, as the reasonable party, we need to make an effort to eliminate the word "evil" from our language altogether. I never use it, and I don't think anyone should. Ever.

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InaneAnanity

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Tue Dec-13-05 02:22 AM
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17. Nothing is evil.

There is no such thing as evil.

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Behind the Aegis

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Tue Dec-13-05 02:26 AM
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19. If that assertion is true...

...does that also mean nothing is "saintly" or "good?" It is interesting that you say that nothing is evil. Why do you say that?

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InaneAnanity

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Tue Dec-13-05 02:27 AM
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20. That is correct

There is no ultimate good either.

Everything is relative.

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Behind the Aegis

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Tue Dec-13-05 02:31 AM
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22. Awesome response!

I am glad you could tell I wasn't being snarky! I have thought much about this very topic, especially after seeing "What the Bleep do we know?" (If you haven't seen that movie...RENT IT...THEN BUY IT!!)

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InaneAnanity

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Tue Dec-13-05 02:35 AM
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24. Evil isn't a real-world term

All it serves to do is bring religion into a discussion where it isn't otherwise present, and connotate a moral authority of some sort. It isn't a descriptive adjective at all, and doesn't further any discussion. It's a cop out as well, since to be "evil", something or someone must have no redeeming qualities at all. And nothing at all is like that.

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