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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 08:56 AM
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Pregnant Skydiver survives so does fetus
This pregant woman on her first solo jump has a primary chute fail to open, she cuts that away and here secondary does not deploy correctly. She hits the ground at 50 MPH face first. Survives. Baby Survives. All are fine!!!!

She planning to jump again.


I will never understand aderenalin junkies.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SKYDIVERS_PLUNGE?SITE=CATOR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-12-13-08-11-06
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 08:57 AM
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1. When my daughter was pregnant
she wouldn't even climb a ladder! Different strokes...
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 08:58 AM
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2. Being an adrenaline junkie is fine...
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 09:58 AM by Squatch
as long as you are prepared for the risks.
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fhqwhgads Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:11 AM
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6. in fairness...
...the article states that the woman didn't know she was pregnant when she jumped, and quotes her as saying she wouldn't have jumped had she known. i'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:16 AM
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10. My mistake...
I thought she indicated she was going to jump again, while pregnant...hence my calling her dumb.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:23 AM
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14. and in more fairness... she's gonna jump after she has the baby,
not while pregnant:

Richardson said her due date is June 25. She plans to make her next parachute jump in August.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:27 AM
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18. Yep. Skydiving's actually a very safe sport
Number of fatalities in the US (as reported by the USPA)

1992 - 27 1999 - 27
1993 - 41 2000 - 32
1994 - 30 2001 - 35
1995 - 27 2002 - 33
1996 - 39 2003 - 25
1997 - 31 2004 - 21
1998 - 44
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:37 AM
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21. These are not very comforting stats
I am sure if you compare the ratio of jumps to death. it would be far more hazardous to one's life than say traffic accidents to car trips.

I am n ot saying it should be banned or anything. People want to assume that level of risk for the trhill of it they are entitled.


My guess is that this woman once the baby is born...will decide not to jump again. Motherhood has a way of changing perspectives.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:47 AM
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27. It's very safe...1 death per 65,000+ jumps
It is more dangerous to drive to the airport than to skydive at the DZ, only if you live a long way from the airport.

Most accidents occur to experienced skydivers exceeding their limits.

Fatalities v jumps. Divide the number of jumps/year (above) by the number of fatalities to get the chances of a fatality. E.g., 2002: 2,151,228 jumps ÷ 33 = one fatality for every 65,188 jumps.

Fatalities v skydivers. Divide the number of jumps/year (above) by the number of jumpers to get the chances of a fatality. E.g., 2000: 34,217 jumpers ÷ 3 = one fatality for every 1,069 USPA member.

2004: 68 fatalities worldwide.

http://www.parapublishing.com/parachute/statistics.html
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:05 AM
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30. I am not even suggesting that the risk is unacceptable
But I suspect that the incidence of accidents to car trips is on for every 20,000,000 and the death rate is probably on per every 200,000,000 car trips.
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:42 AM
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23. Almost as many people were killed by their toasters
In 2004, in the US, 21 people were killed while, or probably more accurately 'after', skydiving. Meanwhile, during the same span 17 people were killed just because they used a faulty toaster.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:50 AM
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28. Lying with statistics!
Way more people use a toaster than sky dive. If toasters were truly as dangerous as skydiving, we'd be a nation of cold-cereal eaters.

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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:21 AM
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35. Back atcha!
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 10:22 AM by Ravenseye
How many people use toasters? Do you have numbers on that?

How bout this though...
http://www.skydivingmagazine.com/faq.htm
"Each year in the U.S. about 35 people die while making approximately 2 million parachute jumps. Other skydivers are sometimes killed while riding aboard jump aircraft."

That's 1 in 57,123, though...

"Analysis of skydiving accidents show that most are caused by jumpers who make mistakes of procedure or judgment. Contrary to popular belief, very few skydiving accidents or injuries are caused by random or unexpected equipment failure."

The same could be said of driving a car, or using a toaster. Want to make toast while in the bathtub? Bad idea.

Now how many households have toasters?
http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:EtV_0X5KFVQJ:www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/reps/enduse/er01_us_tab1.html+how+many+households+in+the+us+toaster&hl=en

36.1 million according to the U.S. Government.

Now this puts the rate of murderous toasters at about 1 in 2,123,529 far more than the 1 in 57,123 of Skydiving...How does that compare to other stuff?

http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm

In a 'transport' accident? 1 in 5,953.
As a pedestrian? 1 in 47,273
From a 'fall'? 1 in 17,712 (hehe, other than skydiving apparently)
Accidental Poisoning? 1 in 16,407
Getting shot? 1 in 24,342

So if all you do is wake up in the morning, drive to work where you are a skydiver, and then go home, you're more likely to die in the car on the way to and from there, walking from and to your car, or getting shot by a drunk ex-girlfriend than you are from the skydiving.

How's that for statistics?

*edited to add 'million' after 36.1 so it made sense*
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:36 AM
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39. Ummm no...
"In a 'transport' accident? 1 in 5,953."


That is a huge statitical misnomer.

if you want to us the incidence of deaths per accident. then I would ask you to be consistent. Of all the pararchuting accidents, how many resulted in death?

If you want to use your "1 in 65,000" stat (deaths to jumps) then you also have to use "death per transport trips" Oranges for oranges, apples to apples.

If you use any compartive analysis you will have to admit that skydiving is far more riskier than getting in your car.

Again I am not suggesting that the risk is not acceptable just that it is far greater then what you say is other riskier behavior.

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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:05 AM
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31. 0 fatalities in 2004 among those using toasters instead of parachutes
The numbers are there.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:08 AM
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33. ROFL Adding new meaning to Leggo my EGGO
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 10:09 AM by Perky
while plummeting to earth at terminal velocity....ROFL
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:30 AM
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37. I don't know about that.
I made 6 jumps and decided to quit while I still was in one piece. I had too many scary experiences in the air and even when landing.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:33 AM
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38. I've been skydiving since 1995.
Haven't had scratch on me and have never ridden a reserve.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:01 AM
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3. That kid's gonna come out lookin like Herman Munster
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:02 AM
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4. If that was my mom, I wouldn't come out at all!
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:11 AM
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7. haha
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:03 AM
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5. Could be an interesting long term study ...
... to see what the kid's going to be like as a teen/adult, having been exposed in utero to what has to be massive surges of adrenaline and other 'not in the course of a normal pregnancy' hormones.

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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:25 AM
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16. I'd bet that adrenaline surges are fairly common in pregnancies
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 09:25 AM by htuttle
...probably have been for many millions of years.

For example, the sight of a cave bear or a lion probably caused an adrenaline surge or two, if nothing else.

However, slamming face first into the ground at 50 mph? Not so common...

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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:13 AM
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8. She's stupid and inconsiderate, risking another's life.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:23 AM
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15. She didn't know she was pregnant. nt
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:16 AM
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9. Her face must look like Michele Malkin's right about now.
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 09:18 AM by Lastlaughin08
50 mph into the turf - ugh.

Just about as bright, too.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:18 AM
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12. close. Anne Coulter.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:23 AM
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13. She's like 100 mph into a paper shredder..........
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 09:24 AM by Lastlaughin08
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:41 AM
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40. ouch. just the thought hurts.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:45 AM
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24. turf? asphalt...
They'd paved paradise, and she landed in a parking lot. 50 MPH is pretty fast, but survivable, apparently. I really wouldn't want to find out, myself.
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:17 AM
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11. What a dumbass.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:26 AM
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17. Dumb? She didn't know she was pregnant when she jumped...
The crash landing happened Oct. 9, the baby is due June 25... One month?
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:32 AM
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19. I don't think the pregancy is the issue
What in the world would cause a new mon ther to risk orphan ing her new born given her recent experience.


My guess is that she is gonna change her mind as soon as the baby is born. Mothehood does that.
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:45 AM
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25. Perspective
She's at more of a risk just driving to the airport to go skydiving than from the actual skydive. It's like when one time we flew home from a vacation. My wife hates flying and was gripping the seat, muttering "don't crash don't crash don't crash", then we get in a cab to go home and the guy is swerving in and out, speeding along, and she's asleep.

I told her "You should be more afraid now, we're in alot more danger now than when we were in the plane."
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:10 AM
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34. People do stupid things for notoriety
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:32 AM
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20. I don't think the pregancy is the issue
What in the world would cause a new mon ther to risk orphan ing her new born given her recent experience.


My guess is that she is gonna change her mind as soon as the baby is born. Mothehood does that.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:46 AM
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26. I'd suspect so too. Having children changes everything.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:40 AM
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22. So much for aerial abortions

at least for early term.
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mnmoderatedem Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 09:52 AM
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29. Stupid stupid stupid
what the hell is wrong with these people? She completely and unnecessarily put her unborn child at risk, for her own thrillseeking.

Selfish woman.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:07 AM
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32. She did not know she was pregnant at the time
I suspect that she did not know until she woke up in the hospital after her first surgeries.
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mnmoderatedem Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:23 AM
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36. Oh, didn't realize that

tell her I'm sorry. :P
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