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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:51 AM
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Was there an insurgency after the American revolution Cheney?
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 11:12 AM by bigtree
WASHINGTON, D.C. (AP) -- Lynne Cheney had a history lesson for elementary school children Tuesday, likening this week's parliamentary elections in Iraq to America's own early struggle for democracy.

"Two hundred and seventeen years ago, we held our first vote under our Constitution," Vice President Dick Cheney's wife said. "We started then on the path the Iraqis are walking now."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/12/13/lynne.cheney.iraq.ap/index.html



I'm just floored by the ignorance in Lynne Cheney's comparison of Iraq's cobbling together of an authority after our invasion and occupation to the history of our country's struggle to free ourselves from British rule. I don't recall an insurgency in America after the revolution that sacrificed their own lives to unseat the patriots and bring the British back. The revolutionary war was about independence. Those citizens of Iraq who are resisting our occupation and the imposition of the propped up government that we defend with our military are more akin to the patriots of our revolution than the ones in the new authority there who acquiesced to our overthrow of that sovereign nation and its leader Saddam.

WE ARE THE OCCUPIERS! WE ARE THE FOREIGN INVADERS!

I imagine the vice president's wife explaining her whacked out reading of history to our nation's children and I'm frantic to take her words down. History is, to future generations, whatever survives the retelling.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:08 AM
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1. The insurgents are the Wolverines! Avenge Me!
Just trying to put it in terms that any lurking freeps would understand.
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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:46 PM
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4. Fun movie
Can't remember how it ended. I keep losing interest in it half way through..........

Does the USSR organize an election after the occupied Americans write a new constitution and approve it by referendum? Did millions come out and vote and wave their purple fingers? I can't recall, did the Wolverines defeat the American Quislings?

Do you think the Iraqi freedom fighters will defeat the Iraqi Quislings voting this Thursday?

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 01:02 PM
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5. I know that Sunni politicians have vowed to put the removal of our troops
at the top of their political agenda.


"The first thing we are going to do when we enter parliament is put a timetable for foreign troop withdrawal,'' candidate Khalil al-Obeidi said outside Azamiyah's Abu Hanifa Mosque, Sunni Islam's holiest shrine in Iraq. ``People want a better government.''

Al-Obeidi said resistance - the preferred term among Sunnis for the insurgency - is just one of the ways to end the ``occupation.'' Politics, he said, is another.

http://www.registerguard.com/news/2005/12/10/a2.irq.sunnis.1210.p1.php?section=nation_world
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 01:12 PM
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6. I think most all the Wolverines get killed, but the resistance wins.
And it features collaborators, but perhaps not as much as this http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0092316/

We'll leave after the elections? Except for the permanent bases, right?
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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 01:23 PM
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7. we won? We Won! Viva la resistance!
I'm unsure what will happen after this election. I'd have voted for the Wolverines. Well, maybe not Swayze.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 01:56 PM
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8. The wolverines did win, but they mostly all got killed, and became
martyrs or something. Wolverines = resistance = insurgents. The Remember the "Wolverine Rock" where they wrote the names of the Wolverines who were killed?

I'm not sure what's going to happen after the election either.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:32 PM
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9. Danny: You're never gonna know who won.
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 02:35 PM by bigtree
Matt Eckert: (after Toni and Robert are KIA, the Eckert Brothers plan a diversion while Danny and Erica cross the enemy lines) We're all that's left. Somebody's gotta live. Somebody's gotta make it. Me and Jed, we're all used up.
Erica: I'm never gonna forget... as long as I live.
Matt Eckert: Don't.
Danny: You're never gonna know who won.
Matt Eckert: Who WILL?

Colonel Ernesto Bella: (in the now-occupied Calumet, Colorado) It would seem necessary to win the support of the people. As our opponents used to say in Vietnam: "Win their hearts and minds."
General Bratchenko: And they lost, Ernesto... Morale is crucial right now. Keep the men in the secured areas. You'll see how they forget about these "Wolverines."
Colonel Ernesto Bella: (Toni blows up a nearby "Soviet-American Friendship Center.") You were saying, Comrade?
General Bratchenko: Oh, shut up!

Erica: (closing narration) I never saw the Eckert Brothers again. In time, this war - like every other war - ended. But I never forgot. And I come to this place often, when no one else does.
(we see "Partisan Rock," with its memorial plaque, which she reads for us)
Erica: "... In the early days of World War 3, guerillas - mostly children - placed the names of their lost upon this rock. They fought here alone and gave up their lives, so that this nation should not perish from the earth."

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087985/quotes :eyes:
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:39 PM
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11. I assumed from that inscription business, that the U.S. won...
and it occurs to me that the quote from Col. Bello is probably basically getting repeated in Iraq today, punctuated with IEDs.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:09 AM
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2. Lynne Cheney is a revisionist idiot
With a draft-dodging, war criminal husband.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:04 PM
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10.  Lynne Cheney Unhinged: Insists Her Husband Never Connected Saddam to 9/11
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/01/lynne-cheney-unhinged/

Lynne Cheney appeared on NPR’s Diane Rehm Show to offer an indefensible defense of her husband’s attempts to link Iraq to 9/11:

L. CHENEY: I don’t know of any leader – certainly the president or vice president has never said that Saddam Hussein was connected with 9/11.

REHM: But there have been connections made in speeches putting Saddam Hussein and Iraq adjacent to 9/11.

L. CHENEY: Well, I’ve seen Dick specifically say “no” to the question asked “is there a connection between Saddam Hussein and 9/11” because there isn’t a connection between Saddam Hussein and 9/11. So, if your caller is troubled, I guess I would just like to know more specifics.

REHM: More specifics — you mean a quotation?

L. CHENEY: Sure. I mean the president nor the vice president has ever made that assertion because it isn’t true. There’s no connection between Saddam Hussein and 9/11.

REHM: I think that a great many people perhaps have had the impression that that is something the President and vice president have done. Now whether, as you say, there is no explicit paragraph to be cited, I think our listeners are going to supply that.

L. CHENEY: Good. Because it sounds like a straw man. You know you set up something that someone supposedly said so that you can knock it down. But the president and vice president have been very clear – when asked specifically, that there was no connection.

http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/05/11/30.php
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:12 AM
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3. Americans were the insurgency against the British
And had the French left troops on every street corner for years after helping us win, you can bet your ass we would have started to kill them.
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