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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:56 AM
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Investing Types - Interesting article to chew on:
http://www.fortune.com/fortune/investing/articles/0,15114,1139979,00.html?promoid=yahoo

"Rainwater is something of a behind-the-scenes type—at least as far as alpha-male billionaires go. He counts President Bush as a personal friend but dislikes politics, and frankly, when he gets worked up, he says some pretty far-out things that could easily be taken out of context. Such as: An economic tsunami is about to hit the global economy as the world runs out of oil. Or a coalition of communist and Islamic states may decide to stop selling their precious crude to Americans any day now. Or food shortages may soon hit the U.S. Or he read on a blog last night that there's this one gargantuan chunk of ice sitting on a precipice in Antarctica that, if it falls off, will raise sea levels worldwide by two feet—and it's getting closer to the edge.... And then he'll interrupt himself: "Look, I'm not predicting anything," he'll say. "That's when you get a little kooky-sounding."

~snip~

Such insights have allowed Rainwater to turn moments of cataclysm into gigantic paydays before. In the mid-1990s he saw panic selling in Houston real estate and bought some 15 million square feet; now the properties are selling for three times his purchase price. In the late '90s, when oil seemed plentiful and its price had fallen to the low teens, he bet hundreds of millions—by investing in oil stocks and futures—that it would rise. A billion dollars later, that move is still paying off. "Most people invest and then sit around worrying what the next blowup will be," he says. "I do the opposite. I wait for the blowup, then invest."

The next blowup, however, looms so large that it scares and confuses him. For the past few months he's been holed up in hard-core research mode—reading books, academic studies, and, yes, blogs. Every morning he rises before dawn at one of his houses in Texas or South Carolina or California (he actually owns a piece of Pebble Beach Resorts) and spends four or five hours reading sites like LifeAftertheOilCrash.net or DieOff.org, obsessively following links and sifting through data. How worried is he? He has some $500 million of his $2.5 billion fortune in cash, more than ever before. "I'm long oil and I'm liquid," he says. "I've put myself in a position that if the end of the world came tomorrow I'd kind of be prepared." He's also ready to move fast if he spots an opening.

~snip~

"This is a nonrecurring event," he says. "The 100-year flood in Houston real estate was one, the ability to buy oil and gas really cheap was another, and now there's the opportunity to do something based on a shortage of natural resources. Can you make money? Well, yeah. One way is to just stay long domestic oil. But there may be something more important than making money. This is the first scenario I've seen where I question the survivability of mankind. I don't want the world to wake up one day and say, 'How come some doofus billionaire in Texas made all this money by being aware of this, and why didn't someone tell us?'"
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:14 AM
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1. But, there are a lot of people aware of it
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 11:15 AM by zalinda
just not the newspeople, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten HIS data.

zalinda
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:16 AM
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2. Yes I agree.....
but how many of us are Billionaires, who consider Bush friends, and more importantly are passing on our info to other billionaires, you know what i mean?


i guess i'm jsut surprised that it's not jsut the "loony left" anymore.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:19 AM
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3. A smart man. nt
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:24 AM
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4. Rainwater is totally tied into the Bushies/Bass and the rest of the
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 11:26 AM by KoKo01
Crime Family. If he made money it wasn't so much his "investment savy and some special quality" it was because he connected with friends who had lots of clout with government..i.e. the Bush Crime Family and the rest of the Texas Criminals.

This paragraph about him at his wifes "farm" in a poor area of Lake City, S.C. contemplating Doomsday was just disgusting in it's hypocracy to me reading it. I know the area of SC he's talking about and as he sits there and gloats about how he's so much better off that the rest of the people there I wonder why the hell he hasn't done something to help the community. Also that he's preparing to "Survive by making sure he has everything he needs" is typical of the Texas Bushies philosophy.

Here's the quote:

Part of Rainwater's routine when he's down on the farm is to go for gizzards at Allison's, a no-frills truck stop up the road. Driving in a red BMW SUV on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving, he points out who lives where: the local doctor, the Taiwanese Nan Ya workers. He chokes up momentarily passing the home of a woman who worked at the farm, whose son has just returned from serving in Iraq. The sheer incongruity of his wealth in Lake City is not lost on him. But at Allison's he seems right at home, lathering the deep-fried gizzards with hot sauce and self-serving a large coffee which he spices at the hot chocolate machine.

Back on the farm that night, he and Moore discuss future projects with their landscaper, Jenks Farmer, over a glass of wine. Farmer, who has a master's in horticulture and lives on the property, maintains Moore's extensive gardens, including vegetable beds that produce all year round. That morning Rainwater had been surfing the web, researching greenhouses in his quest to further ensure a steady flow of food through the winter. At his prodding, Moore has installed an emergency generator and 500-gallon storage tanks for diesel fuel and water. When Rainwater says that he's thinking about opening a for-profit survivability center, it's not entirely clear that he's joking.

Later in the night Rainwater returns to musing on how different his lot is from the residents of Lake City. And then, returning to the debate in his head, he gets a serious look on his face and says: "This is going to get a little religious. I ask why I was blessed with this insightfulness. Everyone who has achieved something, scientists, ballplayers, thinks they were given their talent for a reason. Why me? Was I given this insightfulness at this particular time? Or was I just given this insightfulness?" He pauses. "I just want people to look out. 'Cause it could be bad."
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:28 AM
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5. Another snip that has me so steamed. He's a total Bushbot and one
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 11:36 AM by KoKo01
of the reasons this country is going to hell. Just like the "Emperor-in-Thief" it's all about HIM!

Another snip from the article....all about Columbia Health Care which merged with HCA and the deal with Disney and Eisner and the deal with crook Eddie Lampert. You can believe "Fortune" article left out more juicey criminal details in painting this guy as a "gifted/Guru."

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His ensuing oil bet was only the latest triumph for the grandson of a Lebanese immigrant (on his mother's side) who, according to family lore, picked up his last name from a Cherokee ancestor. His mother had worked at J.C. Penney to put him and his brother through the University of Texas. In 1970, after a short stint at Goldman Sachs, he joined Stanford Business School pal Sid Bass in managing the Bass family money in Fort Worth. Over the next decade and a half, he helped turn the family's modest $50 million fortune into one worth upwards of $5 billion.

In the process Rainwater's investing style emerged: analytically rigorous but opportunistic and Texas-sized in its audacity. He'd buy public companies or private. He'd use futures and leverage, sometimes 20 to 1. He even started companies. If he thought an idea was right, he put capital behind it. With the Basses, he resurrected the likes of Disney—recruiting Michael Eisner to be CEO—and bet early on cellphones. Later, when he went out on his own in 1986, his office drew a who's who of hard-charging capitalists to Fort Worth. In the heyday of Rainwater Inc., Eddie Lampert, the hedge fund tycoon turned head of Sears Holdings, had a desk, as did Daniel Stern, now of $3 billion Reservoir Capital. Ken Hersh, who has compounded money at 31% annually for 17 years at Natural Gas Partners, started there. With Rick Scott, Rainwater founded Columbia Healthcare, which merged with HCA and became the country's biggest for-profit hospital company (Scott was later forced out as CEO amid a federal fraud investigation). Even George W. Bush kept an office, when he and Rainwater were putting together the Texas Rangers stadium
deal.
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:11 PM
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6. yeah - that kinda bothered me too.....
i would think if one has this money to invest, and knows what's coming aroudn the corner - wouldn't it behoove him to do what he could to mitigate disaster rather than just protect themselves?


if it were me - i'd be looking at investing in renewable energy now so that there is less pain later on, and perhaps turn a profit while i'm at it.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:57 PM
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8. .......
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:50 PM
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7. The next 5 months, and the next 500 years
"...Hosteen Leon Secatero, an elder from the Canoncito Band of the Navajo, talked with me about the next 500 years, and also about the next five months..."

http://www.chiron-communications.com/blog.html

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 05:33 PM
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9. And Rainwater "hunkers down" with his Billions and Michael Ruppert has
headed for the hills where he can live the way Rainwater does...but Ruppert won't "charge admission" for Armaggedon...Rainwater thinks it's the next "profit making scheme."

Thanks "Spiral Hawk." I believe what the "Elders" say...and yet the "Profiteers" will use this to their own ends.

Always read your posts...because the "Spiritual" in these times is what keeps some of us going. :hi:
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