Kucinich: White House Must Come Clean On Iraqi Deaths-closer to 100,000

"Two and half years into the war the President is finally willing to discuss the appalling number of Iraqi civilian deaths. It is far past time for this sort of admission from this White House. While the President stated that about 30,000 Iraqi civilians have died since the start of the war other studies have put those figures at closer to 100,000. The Administration has a moral obligation to inform the American public of the real price of war. It should immediately release all information they have on the number of civilian deaths and injuries caused by the United States' war and occupation.

"For years, the Administration has refused to even acknowledge civilian deaths. Retired General Tommy Franks stated Administration position when he said that the US military does not do body counts. I have repeatedly spoken on the House floor, and written the Department of Defense to demand this information. I have not yet received a real response.

"The White House, now on record as keeping this information, must now release this information. The American public, and Congress, will demand nothing less."
http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/1212-02.htm

And who has consistently called the President on his bullshit!

If he annoys the Rethuglicans too much, we can expect a sudden flip of 30% of the vote in his race.

the fact that the public was confronted with a number at all - 30,000! - there's no escaping the brutality, the inhumanity, the OUTRAGE of that many people killed for a lie. I know the number is probably too low but the fact that it's now undeniably out there forces people to think about something they have not thought about at all and should shock them into some kind of recognition of what has been done in our names.

the 100,000 figure is over a year old and didn't include Fallujah.

So I'm just assuming the worst.

I've been using iraqbodycount.org since 2003 to track this information. It is hardly pro Bush but gives the estimated range as between: 27383 to 30892.

I was actually shocked and stunned that Bush FINALLY decided to give a number and that it was at least a reasonably accurate number unlike so much of the B.S. they make up about Iraq (such as how many "divisions" of Iraqi soldiers are ready, etc.)

Bush seemed to not really get how atrocious the 30,000 number really is and what it really meant however. It had the ring of Robert McNamara in the Vietnam war giving us a body count in a very clinical cold manner to me.

Doug D.
Orlando, FL

so many slip through the cracks and are never reported "officially"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3962969.stm

Proving more is difficult but that he finally came clean on the 30,000 seems like some kind of slip up on his part.

That's a statistical correlation, not a direct figure. I prefer to stick to hard numbers, they are bad enough but they are also undisputable unlike the 100,000 figure.

Doug D.

--there is a high level of excess mortality from war-related destruction of infrastructure.

Look at that photo. hahaha...Sweet!

exact quote from BoyChimpPissAnt.

:mad:

http://www.cnn.com/US/
Have to go to Politcs section.

DUers saying about 30,000 and estimated 30,000, yet article says more than 30,000.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1981571

:blush:

Q Since the inception of the Iraqi war, I'd like to know the approximate total of Iraqis who have been killed. And by Iraqis I include civilians, military, police, insurgents, translators.

THE PRESIDENT: How many Iraqi citizens have died in this war? I would say 30,000, more or less, have died as a result of the initial incursion and the ongoing violence against Iraqis. We've lost about 2,140 of our own troops in Iraq.

http://www.earnedmedia.org/wh1212.htm

Thank you for the link.

I wonder if he discludes a bunch of insurgents since he thinks(sic) they are non-Iraqis, not "citizens."
We don't have a count of Iraq war deaths that would include all nations.
We can hardly seem to count our own dead.
Let alone all others who die as result of war's mental blowback.

We will never know how many died because of our invasion.

Way to go Dennis. Keep it up, I know you will.

I LOVE that picture. Funny, that is how I picture this small, well spoken, peaceful man when I think of him. He is so passionate and so right. On a quest to make America what it says it is. That would be a nice change. Dennis, you are the man.

The * Adminstration has been allowed to get by for far too long repeating the lie that they "don't do body counts." They have even back-pedalled from *'s "guesstimate", but they are long overdue for a truthful accounting to the American public and to the world. There is no way that they don't have a reasonable estimate, and I am sick of hearing the lie that they don't.

go, dennis, go

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/iraq.deaths/

Study puts Iraqi toll at 100,000

Friday, October 29, 2004 Posted: 1:10 AM EDT (0510 GMT)

LONDON, England -- Public health experts have estimated that around 100,000 Iraqi civilians have died since the United States invaded Iraq in March last year.

In a survey published on the Web site of the Lancet medical journal on Friday, experts from the United States and Iraq also said the risk of death for Iraqi civilians was 2.5 times greater after the invasion.

There has been no official figure for the number of Iraqis killed since the conflict began 18 months ago, but some non-government estimates have ranged from 10,000 to 30,000.

The researchers surveyed nearly 1000 Iraqi households in September, asking how many people lived in the home and how many births and deaths there had been since January 2002.

They then compared the death rate among those households during the 15 months before the invasion with the 18 months after it, getting death certificates where they could.

The experts from the United States and Iraq said most of those who died were women and children and air strikes from coalition forces accounted for most of the violent deaths.

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/iraq.deaths/

It has also had good review on NPR.

the problem is no one else has gone out into the field and tried to do the same thing. If several studies were run in Iraq and the results of those several were consistent with each other, it would be incredibly difficult for anybody to downplay or dismiss the results.

:thumbsup:

Kucinich for speaking the truth.

1,120,000 deaths.

One small man with the courage to speak up for the people.

Dennis is the largest man I know when it comes to truth telling .....

I wonder how many actually "get" how many lives the US has taken in the name of..."freedom".


Thank you Dennis...:loveya:

DR

Reuters reporter Tabassum Zakaria appears to be the only journalist to pick up on Kucinich's demand . . .

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyID=2005-12-12T213315Z_01_DIT261190_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-BUSH.xml

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=23466

this should be rock-solid proof that the actual number is much, much higher, though. :cry:

the idiot-in-chief KNOWS IT. He LIED again. He's a pathological liar. He's incapable of telling the truth. Damn psycho.

Kudos to Dennis! He always speaks the truth! :toast:

He never, ever disappoints! The true heart and soul of the Dem Party!

Kick for Dennis tellin' it like it is once again!! :loveya:

That is a great pic, too!