What happens when we run out of oil?

:silly: Happy Hanukkah! :hi:

hostile takeovers of fledgling companies and technologies, and will make us pay through the nose for them.

Unless we can get our government together and provide for citizen-run energy boards and regulate pricing.

But noooo, we had to move in the opposite direction with Reagan. We'd be far better off with the issue of mass producing solar cells for homes in the US if people had followed Carter. It was Reagan who tore down the solar cells that Carter installed on top of the White House. It was one of the first things Reagan did.

We're screwed now.
Too late.
Long and painful transition.

Technically the alternatives/answers already exist. No oil - no problem

Check it out
http://www.mindfully.org/Energy/2003/Anything-Into-Oil1may03.htm

Having a big car with a blower sticking thru the hood. And running over guys on motorcycles!
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But I went with the Red Dawn Alternative...good movie, albiet a tad cheesy, but still good...:)

citizens driven to live in seclusion, but armed against Ron O'Neal and his crack Latino paratroopers.

Armalite gangs, prohibited areas.

Have no power. That means we'll conveniently find an alternative energy source before the shit hits the fan and things get out of control. Whatever that source will be it'll be something they can meter and make money off of.

They'll have all the power, money and ownership of a hundred years of oil productivity consolidated into the top few percent by then. They've pretty much got it now. But by the time it ends the class divide will be huge and there will be little to no way to mobilize across it economically. There won't be an economy to provide for anything but rare economic mobility.

They'll be driving $200,000 BMW's down open highways and you'll be riding your bike to no job.

Our infrastructure and hence our economy is based on oil. When it goes, our economy is gone. There will be major riots in many, if not most cities. This is because there is only three days worth of food in any given city at any given time. If there is no oil with which to transport the food, nor oil to produce the food, then there is going to be no food, period, at least not in the urban areas. Thus we will see major food riots. There are a relative few organic farmers out there, but they cannot feed our entire population, and most likely will not even try, opting rather to distribute their valuable cache of food to those who are near and dear.

There will be a massive die-off in this land, and this country, if not the world,will be thrown back to the dark ages. A Mad Max scenario is a definite possibility, but the object of these people won't be oil, but food. Our food supply is exeedingly vunerable to the vageries of oil supplies, and if those go away, so does our food.

And this in turn could very well leave us open to take over by another country. Of course they will be having their own problems and nobody will have enough oil to fight a prolonged war over here.

It won't be a fun time at all, but there is still time to prepare for it. Sadly though, with the oil barons in power, it seems as though no national plan will be implemented, much less developed. Thus, sad to say, it is going to be up to each and every one of us to prepare.

I'm not kidding when I say that we will be lucky to have the lights on in 10-15 years. North American natural gas is about to fall off of a cliff and there is basically no infrastructure in place to import it. You can't just pour it into a barrel like oil, you have to cool it into LNG, then regasify it upon destination. And LNG plants are very dangerous. The end of Syriana should teach you something.

So, that leaves us with nukes and coal. I'm not crazy about nukes. They cost a fortune, take like a decade to build and we will need many soon. And it doesn't help to fly planes or move goods from China to Pennsylvania.

As for coal, we may have a lot, but it will deplete quickly with exponential usage. Oh yeah, and there are those small environmental considerations.

Then there's oil depletion.

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7203633?rnd=1113439994015&has-player=true
http://www.dieoff.com/
http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/research.aspx?Type=msspeeches
http://www.princeton.edu/hubbert/current-events.html
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/100303_eating_oil.html
http://www.theoildrum.com/

This is a lecture on the consequences of exponential growth with regard to hydrocarbon use and population. It is a basic math lesson and will turn most into doomers.
http://edison.ncssm.edu/programs/colloquia/bartlett.ram

There's plenty more to be had in the form of oil shale, but the refinery costs are going to rise quite a bit. It's not going to be pleasant, but the transition to alternative energy will happen fairly soon, driven by economic necessity if not ecological concerns.

We all walk

energy supplies, will become the predominant power in the world. Everyone will have to learn Swahili, Spanish and Chinese.

For a replacement of the combustible engine to the auto industry, that include transponders for pinpoint mileage royalties and tamper proof kill switch. Big Oil & the Automakers decide a merger to fully expedite this new technology, which would be more beneficial to the consumers.

Big Oil Corps, 'You foolish people, did you think we were going to part ways?'

with the onset of global warming and all the ice caps melting, the sea levels will rise to ancient times and redeposit oil throughout the world. We just won't be around to enjoy it.

as the world crashes. There will be no more money and very little electricity. It will be the 1800's again.

so we can all still ride to the mall. We'll be like real Murkin cowboys, back like when men was men and wimmin did what they was told.

Alot of progressives seem to think that oil scarcity will be some kind of great leveler.

It's quite possible it could be just the opposite. The haves will have far more leverage and power when the commodity underlying our economics becomes a scarcity. The politics of this country will have to change drastically to progressive for this to be anything but a catastrophe, and I question whether that can happen given the inculcation of a lifetime of reactionary myth into most people's understandings, and of course the willingness of conservatives to lie, cheat and steal their ideology into power.

You think the fight over oil is ugly? Wait.

back in that big black out a few years ago everything was pretty calm, it was out for a week i think, other then long lines to get gas everything was pretty peacful, except for the fact that people werent allowed on the beach (metro beach,harrison township, michigan) but what elese was there to do.... watch the stars?

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You can bank on it.

same average population as well.

The key is to keep the momentum going.

I'm pissed at the California legislature for killing a proposed tax initiative to encourage photovoltaics.

won't be a problem for many more years.

Tightning down laws that exterminate our freedom help exterminate us. Via show trials or people becoming depressed and killing themselves. Or engineering new strains of virii and diseases.

I think we could do the biofuel thing relatively easily, but people won't switch until the absolutely have to.

Once they do, they'll think they've always driven their cars on peanut oil or whatever and won't be able to believe people used to fight wars just to fill us their gas tank when they could have just squeezed some goobers.