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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:31 PM
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Did Condi Bite Her Lip This morning?

I saw Condi on cable this morning saying something about "we went into this war to provide freedom bla, bla, bla"

At the end of her little put down remarks(like she is talking to a group of 5 year olds) she bit her lip.


Does anyone have that video clip?

My grandmother always told me the way that she could tell if we were telling the truth was to watch our lips. If we bit the lip at the end of the lie ~ she knew!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:32 PM
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1. I don't know if I would agree with that.
Clinton bit his lip all the time.:)
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:35 PM
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2. I rest my case


:)
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:52 PM
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6. bwahahaha....
good one. :rofl:
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:41 PM
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3. The Body Language of Liars - biting the lower lip
http://magazines.ivillage.com/cosmopolitan/men/liars/photo/0,,675675_675680,00.html

Bites His Lower Lip
Liar look: He bites down on his lower lip.

The lowdown: "When a man gnaws, tightens or sucks his lips inward, you know he's not telling you the whole truth," says body-language expert Jan Hargrave, author of Let Me See Your Body Talk. "He's physically fighting to hold back confessing the full story.


Also see: http://www.infoweb.co.nz/free-articles-for-reprint/body-language

Body language is fascinating. People rarely recognize how much information they give off and how noticeable it is to the human eye. Even to the untrained human eye. It is said that no less that 50 percent of information on a person’s character, impact and credibility is conveyed through no verbal communication.

The following list takes some common body postures and states the persons position.

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Biting the Lips: The person expresses embarrassment when he bites his lips. He also communicates a lack of self-confidence.
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:07 PM
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7. Like this?
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:14 PM
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9. BINGO!!!
there ya go, and he does this CONSTANTLY.
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:39 PM
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12. He doesn't even HAVE lips anymore! What does that tell ya?
He looks like a turtle-boy in that picture too.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:53 AM
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22. Now that you mention it...
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 10:54 AM by KansDem




edited to add comparison photo
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:52 PM
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19. Liar, liar pants on fire ~
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:09 PM
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8. Thanks for the links!


I love the hints that we get from body language.

I wish someone had the video so you could see her.

Her eyes also did a little turn.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:37 PM
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11. Here's a more comprehensive listing
http://members.aol.com/nonverbal2/entries.htm#Entries From Adam's Apples to the Zygomatic Smile

Here's what they say about lip licking

Facial expression. 1. A momentary protrusion of the tongue between the lips. 2. A common tongue gesture found in gorillas and other primates, in children, and in all ethnic groups studied.

Usage: The tongue-show is a universal mood sign of unspoken disagreement, disbelief, disliking, displeasure, or uncertainty. It may modify, counteract, or contradict verbal remarks. Following the statement, "Yes, I agree," e.g., a protruded tongue may suggest, "I actually don't agree." Tongue-shows can reveal misleading, ambiguous, or uncertain areas in dialogue, public statements, and oral testimony, and thus may signal probing points, i.e., unresolved verbal issues to be further analyzed and explored.

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RESEARCH REPORTS: 1. The tongue-show has been studied in gorillas and human beings as a negative sign of aversiveness and social stress (Smith et al. 1974). A gorilla pushed from its favorite sitting place, e.g., or a man entering a roomful of strangers, will unwittingly show the tongue in "displeasure." 2. Staring, striking, or scolding another primate may release a tongue protrusion which may be a fragment of the emotion cue for disgust (Smith et al. 1974). 3. Tongue between lips is a defensive sign children use when approaching strange adults (Stern and Bender 1974).


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Neuro-notes. 1. Subcortical: The tongue-show reflects negative emotions of the amygdala acting through brain-stem paleocircuits of the hypoglossal nerve (cranial XII). Stimulation of the amygdala can produce unwitting tongue movements associated with eating and the sense of smell (Guyton 1996:758-59). 2. Cortical: That we often tongue-show while performing tasks that involve precise manual dexterity (e.g., while threading a needle), may reflect a neural linkage between tool-making and speech (see WORD, Neuro-notes I).

source: http://members.aol.com/nonverbal2/tonguesh.htm#TONGUE-SHOW
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 07:11 PM
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15. This fascinates me ~ thanks for the links and info nt
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:28 PM
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10. The only one of these that I think could be added to is this one
"Holding the hand before the mouth: Holding a hand before your mouth means that you are hiding something. In western countries it is impolite to belch or to hiccup. So someone can hold his hand before his mouth to hide that he is hiccupping. When someone puts his hand before his mouth when he is talking it indicates that he is saying something or has said something that he did not want to say."

Whenever I view "Extreme Makeover Home Edition" and the people see their new homes for the first time, they inevitably cover their mouths. I take this to mean highly emotional in those cases happy, however people watching the towers fall during 9/11 did the same thing.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 01:48 PM
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13. Self-touching
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 01:50 PM by Mabus
Tactile sign. 1. The act of establishing physical contact with one's own clothing or body parts (esp. hands to face; see HOMUNCULUS). 2. The act of stimulating one's own tactile receptors for pressure, vibration, heat, cold, smoothness, or pain.

Usage: Like a lie-detector or polygraph test, self-touch cues reflect the arousal level of our sympathetic nervous system's fight-or-flight response. We unconsciously touch our bodies when emotions run high to comfort, relieve, or release stress. Lips are favorite places for fingertips to land and deliver reassuring body contact. Self-stimulating behaviors, e.g, a. holding an arm or wrist, b. massaging a hand, and c. scratching, rubbing, or pinching the skin, increase with anxiety and may signal deception, disagreement, fear, or uncertainty.

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RESEARCH REPORTS: 1. Earlobe-pulling, arm-scratching, and rubbing a worry stone, have been classed as adaptors: "residuals of coping behaviors that were learned very early in life" (Ekman and Friesen 1969:62). 2. Rubbing the face is a reaction to spatial invasion (Sommer 1969). 3. Automanipulation is a sign of "fearfulness" in children (McGrew 1972). 4. Self manipulations increase with stress and disapproval (Rosenfeld 1973). 5. Hand self-manipulations increase as Japanese subjects gaze into an interviewer's eyes, "reflecting the upsetting effects" of eye-to-eye contact (Bond and Komai 1976:1276). 6. "When excessive distraction through sensory overload occurs, as in the isolated schizophrenic patients, continuous and repetitive rubbing of one hand upon the other helps filter the overload by narrowing attention" (Grand 1977:206). 7. Motherless rhesus monkeys suck thumbs or toes, clasp themselves, engage in head-banging, and show "symptoms similar to disturbed mental patients" (Pugh 1977:200). 8. Self-orality, self-clasping, and self-grasping are common signs in motherless rhesus monkeys reared in isolation (Suomi 1977). 9. "Body-focused hand movements are arguably one of the most common types of nonverbal behavior produced by humans" (Kenner 1993:274). 10. "Tactile stimulation may also serve a calming or reassuring function when it is self-directed" (Goodall 1986:125). 11. In public speaking, the most common touch may be finger-to-hand (Kenner 1993). 12. "Unconscious face-touching gestures indicate disbelief in what is being said by the companion" (Morris 1994:31). Because the listener feels a mental conflict in voicing his disagreement, he performs "a minor act of self-comfort"(Morris 1994:31). 13. Self-clasping gestures (along with upper-body rocking for comfort ) are signs given by Romanian children raised in orphanages of the 1980s-90s (Blakeslee 1995).

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Neuro-notes. Apparently trivial self-touch gestures help calm our nerves. Physical contact with a body part stimulates tactile nerve endings and refocuses our orienting attention inward, away from stressful events "out there." Self-touch works on the physiological principle of acupressure massage or shiatsu. Massaging the right hand, e.g., takes attention from the left, and vice-versa. Catching the thumb in a drawer, we may vigorously rub its nerve endings to compete with our brain's awareness of the pain. Because the forebrain's thalamus cannot process all incoming signals at once, a self-touch reduces anxiety much as it blocks pain.

http://members.aol.com/nonverbal2/selftouc.htm


FYI, this is obviously a liberal website because it uses observation and science.

edited to add the ending code in the "Neuro-notes" section.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 04:05 PM
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14. Thanks Mabus, for picking up on this.
:)
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 11:14 PM
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18. Interesting Uncle Joe ~ I'll have to watch for the hand/mouth nt
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:45 PM
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4. It's lack of self-confidence, at the very least.
Her shaky little voice always makes me think of a spelling-bee contestant, trying so hard to sound confident.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:50 PM
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5. LOL ~ she is trying so hard to act

like a teacher that she comes off biting her lip and telling us about her insecurities.

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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 07:22 PM
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16. And I thought it meant I was doing my white man's dance.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 07:28 PM
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17. I sometimes do that when I'm playing the piano.
Does that mean I'm lying to the piano? I'm just concentrating or something. :)
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:38 AM
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20. This is funny! I would be biting my entire

face off if I tried to play the piano.

Wonder if Condi bits her lip when she plays the piano, bet she doesn't.

I know she did it the other day.
Wish I could find that video link.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:48 AM
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21. You don't need lip-biting to know if she's lying.
Just check whether her lips were moving before the bite. If so, she was lying.

And what's with the scared-little-girl voice? She sounds like she's nervous all the time. Maybe she is. I would be, if I were her.
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