Clarence Ray Allen Asks Governor (Schwarzenegger) for Clemency

Clarence Ray Allen Asks Governor for Clemency
Written for the web by C. Johnson, Internet News Producer



Late Tuesday afternoon Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger received a petition for clemency from another death row inmate slated to be executed next month.

Attorneys for Clarence Ray Allen, 75, filed a clemency request to commute Allen's scheduled January 17, 2006, execution to life in prison without parole.

Allen is asking Schwarzenegger for sympathy because of his health problems. Confined to a wheelchair and nearly blind, in September Allen suffered a heart attack. He also has diabetes.

Last week Allen submitted an appeal to block his execution on grounds prison officials are not adequately treating his health problems.

http://www.kxtv.com/storyfull2.aspx?storyid=14769

Really em that he's defying the churches stance on the dp and demand that action be taken against him.

He's white, after all.

"You can't execute me because I'm in ill health?" :shrug:

(I am opposed to the death penalty in all circumstances. But this doesn't sound like the best way to get clemency.)

(Not that the murdering people ever does.) He poses no danger to society.

If the point is to punish someone, then execution would serve its purpose, even though one could argue that being alive and sick isn't much of an alternative.

(Why do we execute people again?)

"justice." And this just proves it.

He had three people murdered while in prison ... for murder. Tell me again about him posing no danger to society ...

He orchestrated the murders 23 years ago. Now he is blind and crippled. So for a third time, he poses no danger to society.

He orchestrated the murders. He did not physically murder anyone. How is he one iota less dangerous today than he was 23 years ago? If he is put back in gen-pop, what would prevent him from orchestrating more murders?

violence from within? Should we murder them too, because they could do the same?

And before you answer back with the, "Well he has a HISTORY of doing so"...what about the other prisoners who have a history of violence who one could very well "suspect" might do it?

If a person is in prison for life for murder and murders again, they should be put to death. What else could you do to them, since we consider putting somebody into permanently solitary with no outside contact whatsoever cruel and unusual? Do you think that someone in prison should be able to murder with impunity because they are already serving a life sentence?

He murdered 3 people while in prison. Shouldn't the evil SOB be punished for that?

That sounds like great logic. :sarcasm:

should have no consequences, according to you? They can kill, maim and rape to their hearts' content?

What do you suggest we do with him? What, if anything, should be done with someone serving life w/o the possibility of parole who kills people while in prison?

then it's not logical to support murder by the state. Nor is it justice, it is revenge. Plain and simple.

Do you even hear yourself? Is nothing, including murder, just plain wrong in your world?

Executing a man who has shown a willingness and ability to murder from prison is not revenge. It's self defense.

And I would have no problem with putting him in a small, dark room and slipping food under the door until he stopped eating it for a couple of weeks. However, our system does not allow for that and I have a feeling that many of the people who are against the death penalty would also object to keeping a murderer like this guy away from the human contact that allowed him to continue to murder people.

Killing him just throws another body on the pile, so to speak. Unless you think it's cool when people are killed, that's a bad thing.

If he had been promptly executed for arranging the murder of his son'r girlfriend, three innocent people (and their children, grandchildren, etc.) would be alive today ... and three families would not have been permanently devastated.

What would you have done in response to the three murders that he arranged?

I'm no prison guard, but there are certainly punishments that exist other than tying up a prisoner and pumping lethal chemicals into him.

What's your solution? All I hear so far is what you would not do.

Groper is just starting a reelection year. Wing nuts rule the roost for now.

In fact, I'm not so sure he read the last one.

he will really stir up a mountain of shit. This guy put out a contract hit FROM PRISON on four witnesses to his murder of his son's girlfriend. I've never heard a word about any rehabilitative efforts nor any redeeming virtues (like Williams anti gang efforts). In other words Allen is a poster child for the death penalty. If you pardon him you better pardon everybody or you'll have a lot of questions to answer.

Second: am I correct that your solution to HIS murders is to murder more?

I'm opposed to the DP for just that reason - there is a strong tone of vengeance in all pro DP arguments. I don't advocate the execution of Allen, but if Ahnuld grants him clemency, he better do it for every case that he reviews.

Killing to show that killing is wrong is good for the 12th century. Or maybe modern-day Sudan. Take your pick.

I don't care what he did; the state should not have that power. Hell, they can't even count votes right, and you expect them not to screw up matters of life and death?

here in Texas we had convict try to commit suicide. They brought him back to life and then executed him. Got to do the job right.

But what would it suggest about the application of the Death Penalty.

Old age, infirmity, mentat healt are all reason not pt take someon'e life who has taken the lig or another.


YOu have to be healthy inorder to be executed? Seems to me that this would be a dangerous precendent to set.

But what would it suggest about the application of the Death Penalty.

Old age, infirmity, mentat healt are all reason not pt take someon'e life who has taken the lig or another.


YOu have to be healthy inorder to be executed? Seems to me that this would be a dangerous precendent to set.

imo.

and all DP threads are locked and put there (like the Israel/Palestine forum).

has a daily column called "fishwrap", which recaps the most talked about subjects in the German dailies.

Apparently, Arnold has earned himself the title "Arnold the Barbarian" for his lack of clemency.....the link is http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,390350,00.html