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RSchewe

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Thu Dec-15-05 10:16 PM
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Sen. Feinstein gets report debunking Bush's claim Congress saw same intel

Talking Points Memo: by Joshua Micah Marshall December 15, 2005 07:09 PM

President Bush says Congress saw the same intelligence he did in the lead-up to the war in Iraq. So Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) asked the non-partisan Congressional Research Service to look into the matter and report back whether or not what the president said is true.

They reported back today. The verdict: not true.

Read it yourself.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/007266.php

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Scout1071

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Thu Dec-15-05 10:27 PM
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1. kick and rec. n/t

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GreenPartyVoter

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Thu Dec-15-05 10:29 PM
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2. Sounds like something we'll never hear on TV news

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RSchewe

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Thu Dec-15-05 10:31 PM
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3. Point, set, match.... Read this:

CRS Report - Congress as a Consumer of Intelligence Information

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The President's position also affords him the authority - which, at certain times, has been aggressively asserted (1) - to restrict the flow of intelligence information to Congress and its two intelligence committees, which are charged with providing legislative oversight of the Intelligence Community. (2) As a result, the President, and a small number of presidentially-designated Cabinet-level officials, including the Vice President (3) - in contrast to Members of Congress (4) - have access to a far greater overall volume of intelligence and to more sensitive intelligence information, including information regarding intelligence sources and methods. They, unlike Members of Congress, also have the authority to more extensively task the Intelligence Community, and its extensive cadre of analysts, for follow-up information. As a result, the President and his most senior advisors arguably are better positioned to assess the quality of the Community's intelligence more accurately than is Congress.

more...

http://feinstein.senate.gov/crs-intel.htm

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Justice Is Comin

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Thu Dec-15-05 10:32 PM
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4. Boy he sure took her request serious.

If this doesn't tell who had what, I don't know what does. Go Diane! Make it a happy happy happy new year for us.

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radio4progressives

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Thu Dec-15-05 10:46 PM
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7. Believe me folks, we've working her HARD for as long this damn

war has been going - we've protested in front of her San Francisco office - we have done letters, we have done phone calls, we have done letters to the editor and for a very long time she was non-responsive - NOT UNTIL THIS YEAR -
she has to campaign to be re-elected - and she finally decided to meet with our pda group - which was astonishing.

that's cuz she knew we were damn serious about finding someone else to contest her seat. Her husband is with a venture capital firm, which has multi-million dollars worth of DoD and Pentagon contracts ... so there's a lot of bitterness in some quarters in our region and communities.

But if she holds a full court press on this document, she can save her candidacy and do something principled at the same time, even if it comes a bit late for the lives, limb and treasury lost in this horrible evil war.

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Moochy

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Thu Dec-15-05 10:50 PM
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9. I remember Difi from Chevron HQ

Awesome to hear that she met with your PDA group!

I remember her announcing an investigation to find out if CA was being gouged.. Three weeks later she gives a press conference from the HQ of Chevron on how Oil companies were not in fact gouging us despite having much higher average prices than the national average.

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0007

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Thu Dec-15-05 10:53 PM
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10. She has some pretty smart aids, and I will take their word

for it. I only scanned this monstrous report with its legal twist.

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Dunvegan

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Fri Dec-16-05 12:23 AM
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16. radio4progressives is quite right...

DiFi is my CongressCritter, too...and in the City there was at least one protest I passed by and am aware of...I also know I've been one of many who have called her office in DC and scalded her phone person a couple of times on this very issue because she's our representative AND sits on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

About time she began to feel the "will of the people" boot up her behind.

Thanks for all your, and your group's, hard work, radio4progressives.

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NuttyFluffers

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Fri Dec-16-05 05:59 AM
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23. aha! thanks for the backstory!

Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 05:59 AM by NuttyFluffers

my baffle meter had a spike upon hearing this news, knew there had to be more to it to get her to do the right thing.

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wryter2000

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Fri Dec-16-05 10:56 AM
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32. Good for you!

I send her e-mails whenever something important comes up. I'm no lover of the DLC, but DiFi is better than any "moderate" repugnican. I hope we can get her to come back to the right side on all issues. She can be a powerful ally.

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sdfernando

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Fri Dec-16-05 11:52 AM
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34. I'm still not sure I'll vote for her again.

I recently received an email from stating that she was going to vote to renew the patriot act. After all of the sh** this admin has pulled and no one really having any idea what the initial act contained when the voted for it? I replied that if that is the case, and she does indeed vote to extend the act, I could no longer support her and she will NOT get my vote. We'll see what happens.

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Windy

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Thu Dec-15-05 10:36 PM
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5. This calls for a DU email event

We need to get this to all media organizations and keep baraging them until they report on it!

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radio4progressives

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Thu Dec-15-05 10:37 PM
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6. Ok.. So I knew Bush was Lying & I'm not even a member of Congress

so this document is going to take weeks to comb through and discypher but my question is why didn't Senator Dianne Feinstein hold a FULL COURT PRESS to EXPOSE this fact to the MSM ?

did she do that? did i miss it?

well, she's my Senator, and I'm going to have to call her office in the morning and ask if she plans to.

Three years into this, thousands of lives lost - a half a trillion dollars of our treasury spent on this imperlialist misadventure and now we have proof - she shoulda demanded it before the freaking vote.

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Moochy

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Thu Dec-15-05 10:47 PM
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8. Check out the date on the letter

It's the 15th, today. I agree let's call her, especially those of us in CA.

Phone or Fax

If you wish to phone or fax the Washington, D.C. office:

Phone: (202) 224-3841
Fax: (202) 228-3954
TTY/TDD: (202) 224-2501

Write a letter

Senator Dianne Feinstein
United States Senate
331 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

E-Mail the Senator http://feinstein.senate.gov/email.html

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caligirl

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Thu Dec-15-05 11:10 PM
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12. I will be calling in the am too, but maybe we shouldn't let go

to quickly the idea of running someone against her? If this is the only way she gets responsive to her community why not?
Problem is her war chest, who has $30M on hand?

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Dunvegan

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Fri Dec-16-05 12:28 AM
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17. A Pluperfect Idea...

...matter of fact, I outta give in and just put DiFi's office number on speed-dial.

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mwb970

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Fri Dec-16-05 08:51 AM
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27. It's amazing how many of us knew what Congress apparently could not see.

And we didn't have access to any official intelligence. Just our own. But that was enough.

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Hailtothechimp

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Thu Dec-15-05 10:57 PM
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11. We knew he was lying. And here's the proof.

Spin it any way you want, freepers. He lied. Not mislead. Not spoke half-truths. Not fudged the facts. He LIED.

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SammyWinstonJack

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Fri Dec-16-05 09:07 AM
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29. Is it now okay for the Dem Leaders too use the L word?

Sheesh! If they don't use it now, why not, and when will they?

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sakabatou

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Thu Dec-15-05 11:18 PM
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13. That lying asshat!

:mad:

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RUMMYisFROSTED

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Thu Dec-15-05 11:32 PM
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14. Another day. Another lie.

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deek

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Fri Dec-16-05 12:28 AM
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18. what more can we say? eom

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Patsy Stone

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Thu Dec-15-05 11:40 PM
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15. Alfred Cumming

Thank you for hitting the "send" button. :)

Well, I think what we've found out is that the Executive Branch believes that Congress just wouldn't be able to keep it's mouth shut and they'd just blab and blab all kinds of sensitive information all over the place. :eyes:

Also, I say it's time for Congress to sue the White House for information. Let this go up to the SCOTUS and have them decide between the two branches when they're both dominated by Conservatives. Let's get that PDB from August 6, 2001.

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Festivito

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Fri Dec-16-05 12:59 AM
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19. * last speech, * saw same intel as rest, is true.

..and made the decision to invade ...

* saw intel they saw, not that they saw the intel * saw.
Cute difference.

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hippiechick

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Fri Dec-16-05 10:14 AM
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30. Bingo. That's what this administration's all about: word games.

:hi:

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JAbuchan08

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Fri Dec-16-05 03:11 PM
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37. OMG! I can't believe this didn't occur to me before

thanks.

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stickdog

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Fri Dec-16-05 01:15 AM
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20. Of course not.

For those keeping score at home, that's

Reality - 2,152
Repuke Talking Points - 0

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Up2Late

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Fri Dec-16-05 03:36 AM
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21. This is also in LBN from Knight-Ridder

Here's the link: <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1989570>

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EFerrari

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Fri Dec-16-05 05:33 AM
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22. I'm glad yet another one of Monkey Boy's lies has been documented.

And, Diane should have known better. This little song and dance doesn't bring back the dead. I'll never vote for her again. And, I will call her and ask why it took her YEARS to do even this much.

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Maine-ah

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Fri Dec-16-05 06:54 AM
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24. not that it will do much good, but

I just sent it off to CNN's news tips here: http://www.cnn.com/feedback/tips/

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EFerrari

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Fri Dec-16-05 08:58 AM
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28. That's a good resource. If they get enough mail, something

may move :)

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ClintonTyree

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Fri Dec-16-05 07:06 AM
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25. It doesn't matter..........

like all of the other bush administration lies, they've repeated this one so many times that it has become fact. GOP 101 - lie and keep repeating the lie until it is indistinguishable from the truth. How many people in this country STILL insist there was a connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda so that's why we had to invade Iraq? Even after a year or more of being shown irrefutable proof to the contrary and "*" himself admitting that there was no connection, at least a third of the people in this country continue to believe it!
It's so sad that we live in a country where people are so intellectually lazy that they won't take step one in finding out the truth about our government's lies.

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ClassWarrior

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Sun Dec-18-05 03:47 PM
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38. Well, Progressive 101 should be tell the truth...

...and keep repeating the truth until it is undeniable.

So start repeating!! ("It doesn't matter." Feh!!)

Never Give Up.

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wishlist

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Fri Dec-16-05 07:11 AM
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26. This was one of Bush's most boldfaced lies in his speech last week

While networks carried Bush's statement about Congress seeing the same intelligence as he did, I doubt we will hear much about this report on those same TV stations that carried Bush's big lie.

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Mugsy

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Fri Dec-16-05 10:46 AM
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31. Report proves (impeachable) crimes were committed.

Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 11:12 AM by Mugsy

Top of Page three:

Current law also prevents the executive branch from withholding intelligence information from the committees on the grounds that providing the information to the congressional intelligence committees would constitute the unauthorized disclosure of classified information or information relating to intelligence sources and methods.

Let's start naming things President Bush was privy to that was withheld from Congress, because every single incidence is a crime.

I also find it interesting (from pages 5 and 6):

In not providing Congress routine access to source identities, executive branch officials cite the need to protect against �leaks� or unauthorized disclosure of information that the Intelligence Community generally considers to be the most sensitive in its possession. As more individuals are briefed about sources, it is contended, the greater is the risk that this information will be disclosed, inadvertently or otherwise. Such leaks could jeopardize current or future access to possibly valuable intelligence, and endanger the lives of intelligence sources providing the information.

Translation: One of the exempted intelligence items the President can withhold from Congress is the identity of intelligence sources on the grounds that it could endanger those sources.

So information that MUST be shared was withheld, while information that no one else was to know, like the identity of Vallerie Plame, was desseminated cavelierly at cocktail parties.

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dennis4868

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Fri Dec-16-05 11:06 AM
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33. This report will not stop....

the media and repubs from saying that the dems had the same intelligence information as Bushit.

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MellowOne

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Fri Dec-16-05 11:52 AM
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35. My daily cry......

Can we impeach him now....please?

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Fri Dec-16-05 12:44 PM
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36. this is an important story. K&R n/t

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