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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:35 PM
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Democrats have no choice but to fight as liberal populists...
In other times, perhaps the moderate DLC type message would work but with the present bunch of Republicans, we need to fight as liberal populists. When they throw a right jab, we need to throw a left hook. In my opinion, this is a battle that calls for passion and populism. We are in a class war.

The Republicans are on the sides of the corporations. We have no choice but to be on the side of the people or we will be bulldozed under. I am not sure that the moderate wing of our Party has the fight necessary to compete with these corporate fascists that are stealing our future. In fact, I am pretty sure they do not.

We need to make a decision as a Party. Do we fight the Repubs from the moderate middle or do we fight from the left with a fighting populist message? In my opinion, Democrats are craving a populist leader that calls it like it is - that tells the truth about these neo-cons masquerading as "Republicans". They have done great harm to our country and will continue to do more if we don't throw them out on their ears. They do not speak for average Americans - we do. That is the message we must get out.
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HillDem Donating Member (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:39 PM
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1. Like John Edwards?
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 10:39 PM by HillDem


Sounds like the populist you're looking for.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:39 PM
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3. I would consider John a populist.
Yes.
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HillDem Donating Member (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:42 PM
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4. He spoke here at U of M
And i swear you could hear a pin drop, and there were 1000's of people.

I'd like to see him make another run at public office soon.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:44 PM
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5. I agree, we need a populist like Edwards,
An advocate for the poor and the working class. Someone who is loyal to our roots. Populist values are the soul of our party.

:applause:


:patriot:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:39 PM
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2. But..but..but.. Mr. ** assured us there is no class war.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:55 PM
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6. You're damn right we need to fight as populists
Do you have a job? Then you should vote democrat. It's a simple as that - IF we have a populist economic message. The thing that really scares me is republicans starting to use the term 'populist' and mean by that term, someone who stands for traditional values (anti-gay, anti-naughty words on TV, anti-violent video games, pro-Christmas, anti-abortion) What a perversion of that word!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:00 PM
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7. I think the most effective strategy would be to attack them thru the media
Attack the media for covering up for the lies. Attack the media for not telling the people the truth about the war, the economy, the loss of jobs, the huge deficits. Everything. Attack the media because that is the only way to infiltrate the propaganda system that the Republicans have set up. However, by attacking the media, we are also attacking the Republicans. Go at 'em!
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:00 PM
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8. Bill Mahr sent that message out on Larry King tonight
I don't like Mahr's show much, but his interviews on other peoples are generally pretty interesting. He sent this message out for a solid hour and even articulated at one point, that Dems need a strong progressive populist candidate/platform (paraphrasing).

Feingold is the Progressive Populist by far, strong knows his stuff.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 06:09 PM
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23. So far, Feingold is cause for hope. I hope before everyone piles on
the Hillary bus, they give him a look.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:02 PM
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9. so, we can all support Kucinich again?
:hide:

dp
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:09 PM
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10. Dennis is a great populist...
But I think he may have been sterotyped? Or perhaps it was his Beatles haircut? Unfortunately, there has to be a certain type of personality and charisma with the populism. I don't know that Dennis had all that?
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:12 PM
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11. I love Dennis
But there is no way in hell he could win during the primaries or win a GE.

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:14 PM
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12. Dennis a great Democrat.
And speaks the truth. But, in these times, he cannot win the presidency, for whatever reason.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:26 PM
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16. so, a populist that speaks the truth
against the corporates, that calls it like it is, one that pointed out the fiasco of the Iraq invasion since day 1, carried his candidacy all the way to the primaries as he promised he would, and even though never got one nth of the media coverage that any of the other Dem candidates did still was able to keep his House seat (too bad Edwards shot his wad) and is using his position to slam regularly the *moron's administration regardless,

cannot win a populists campaign?


hookay. whatever.

are you sure you are looking for a populist?

dp
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:37 PM
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20. Umm,,,Dennis flailed during the last primaries
What makes you think he'd do amazingly better this time? I'm basing it on his past performance as well as the fact he lacks certain traits that make for a successful national candidate.

People are not ready to elect a Dennis type. Sorry, but that is the reality.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:41 PM
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21. I would vote for Dennis but...
I don't thnk the majority of people would vote for him. It's intangibles.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:19 PM
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14. and you have gleaned these facts
from ... what?

please tell me you didn't get them from the same source Rush gets his?

dp
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:17 PM
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13. oh... his haircut ... so that's it.
:sigh:


dp
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:20 PM
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15. Unfortunately...
Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 11:31 PM by kentuck
Yes. That is part of it. Americans are very superficial. You should know that. I love Dennis and I love his message. He should always have a strong role in our Party's future.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:28 PM
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17. americans are gullible sheep
and not just superficial.

i refuse to be that way, and therefore don't believe in the hype that keeps them in chains.

dp
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:32 PM
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19. Yes....
they are gullible.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:30 PM
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18. and in answer to my question
obviously not.

dp
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:44 PM
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22. Good idea. I hope the Party's corporate owners will agree to it.
nt
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