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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:47 AM
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Ex-FBI translator's case may reveal Plame's crucial CIA role(Sibel Edmonds



http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_340.shtml

Ex-FBI translator's case may reveal Plame's crucial CIA role
By Mike Mejia
Online Journal Contributing Writer


For over a year, speculation has run rampant in the U.S. media and in the blogosphere about the CIA leak investigation being conducted by Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald.

The thought-provoking questions asked by journalists and bloggers alike are many and varied: Who, in addition to Scooter Libby and Karl Rove, was involved in leaking the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame to the media in order to punish her husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson, for his refutation of President Bush's Niger uranium claim? What was the role of the White House Iraq Group (WHIG) in peddling Plame's name to the media? Who forged the Niger uranium documents? What secrets lay inside the eight redacted pages of material in Circuit Judge David Tatel's decision to overide his finding of a reporters' federal shield privilege "ere the leak at issue in this case less harmful to national security"? Was Plame's role at the CIA as a weapons of mass destruction expert critical, as old CIA hands like Larry Johnson contend, or was she just a paper pusher, as the pro-Bush crowd proclaims?

Although many of these questions about the Fitzgerald investigation have yet to be answered, a pair of little noticed but explosive articles authored by Christopher Deliso of antiwar.com, "Plame, Pakistan a Nuclear Turkey and the Necons" and "Lesser Neocons of L'Affaire Plame", go a long way to solving the mystery of Valerie Plame's mission at the agency and may henceforth reveal what likely lies in those mysterious eight redacted pages of Tatel's.

According to Deliso's two sources, the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet and former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, the outing of Valerie Plame may have severely damaged a CIA operation to monitor a nuclear black market faciliated by the shadowy but well-connected Washington lobby group, the American Turkish Council (ATC). (Those familiar with the Sibel Edmonds case will know the ATC is the very same organization that the former FBI translator heard on wiretaps in connection with various alleged illegal activities, some connected to 9/11.) From Edmonds, Deliso obtained the following admission: "Plame's undercover job involved the organizations , the ATC (American-Turkish Council) and the ATA (American-Turkish Association) . . . the Brewster Jennings network was very active in Turkey and with the Turkish community in the U.S. during the late 1990s, 2000, and 2001 . . . in places like Chicago, Boston, and Paterson, N.J."

Such a stunning statement by the former FBI contract linguist could be dismissed by those not familiar with the whistleblower's well-established credibility were it not for the fact that Edmonds is, at least in part, corroborated by Ambassador Joseph Wilson himself. In his book the Politics of Truth, Wilson recounts on page 240 that he first met Valerie Plame in 1997, at a reception at the home of the Turkish ambassador which Wilson attended to receive an award from -- you guessed it -- the American Turkish Council. Wilson, of course, never explains in his book what brought Valerie Plame to attend this ATC-sponsored event, but since it is public information that Plame was an undercover CIA operative at the time, the simplest explanation is the most likely one: she was there as part of her Brewster Jennings & Associates cover. Although U.S. law prohibits the CIA from conducting espionage operations against U.S. citizens on American soil, nothing would have prohibited Plame from attending such an event in Washington.


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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:53 AM
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1. If & when this finally gets out it will really open a lot of eyes!
I think Sibel has information that will prove to be super explosive and as such, cannot be suppressed forever.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:59 AM
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2. A bit more here:
snip//
"Ms. Edmonds testimony in her own civil lawsuits has been quashed by the Supreme Court, effectively making anything Edmonds knows a "state secret". And Fitzgerald, as an employee of the U.S. Justice Department, is unlikely to reveal the trail of nuclear secrets that leads from the U.S. through Turkey to Pakistan.

However, there is still hope in getting the truth of the Plame-Edmonds matter out to the public at-large and that hope lies with the alternative media outlets. Besides, Deliso, a recent interview of Raw Story's Larisa Alexandrovna may indicate at least one other journalist is following the same Brewster Jennings trail. Alexandrovna appears to be looking closely at Plamegate figure Marc Grossman, whom Edmonds claims is "very important" in her own case.
Regardless of what transpires over the next few months in the twin sagas of the CIA agent and the FBI translator, it now appears that those who have called the Plame affair "Treasongate" may have been more right then they knew.
snip//

If the truth ever does come out, I believe HAstert is also involved in accepting money from the Turks, per Edmonds' article in Vanity Fair last summer.

"Oh what tangled webs we weave, when we practice to deceive."
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:59 AM
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3. Secret court- Senate Intelligence Committee.
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court?
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:02 AM
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4. Ooooo, good one!
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 09:02 AM by BlueEyedSon
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meunier33 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:20 AM
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5. What if Fitz...
Subpoenas Edmonds? Does a call to Grand Jury Testimony invalidate her gag order? Can she tell all she knows if she testifys in front of the GJ?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:51 PM
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17. Yup, "Talk to Sibel Edmonds, Fitzgerald!"
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 02:54 PM by calipendence
Sung to the tune of Gordon Lightfoot's "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald"

There's a duplicate thread on this this morning, but what they hey, I'll recommend both of them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5612902&mesg_id=5612902

As noted in the other thread, I'm trying to put together a DVD shortly with various video and audio streams relating to her from Democracy Now, the ACLU, Air America, CBS's sixty minutes, etc. that I'm going to send to certain important people/places as a means to inform them. At some point I hope to get some clearances to distribute it in wider scope, but if any of you NEED it right now, send me a note and I'll try and get you a copy when I get this thing refined and together and get through my "Holiday" (er Fitzmas, er Xmas, er "Christmas" chores - is that OK Bill?).

Meanwhile, just got my initial new black t-shirt from Cafepress.com today for the following:



http://www.cafepress.com/sibel.40085256

Hold off on ordering if you want it as I'd like to fix the image to make the artificating with their new black t-shirt process work a little better. I'll try to get it fixed up by this weekend (and maybe an updated mug and/or bumpersticker) if you want something for "Fitzmas"! :)

Back to this article. I really do think that both Chris Deliso and this guy are the ones that are connecting the dots the way that Sibel Edmonds hoped someone would without her violating her gag order. Hopefully we can raise some more hay and get this out more into mainstream media outlets.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:22 AM
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6. Is there a good summary on the Sibel Edmonds story? I've just
picked up bits and pieces here and there and would love to read the whole thing in one sitting. It seems like she's got info on 9/11, BJ & Plame, another Senator getting bribed - hell, I wouldn't be surprised to find she could tie in Delay and Ambroff somehow - its incredible watching all these strands get exposed as the coordinated web that they seem to be.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:26 AM
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7. Here's the Vanity Fair article-long but worthwhile:
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:09 AM
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25. Thank you for this link. n/t
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GardeningGal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:39 AM
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9. Here's a link to her website.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:56 PM
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18. Two other good sites to look...
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:26 AM
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8. Wow-this plot becomes more and more curious.
I never thought of a Plame/Edmonds connection before.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:14 AM
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10. Recommend.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:13 PM
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11. Like a puzzle, I've long believed that this case, the Plame case, DSM's &
the Niger Docs and even 9/11, all fit into a picture, a story, that when it is finally told, will shock the world.

We have been experiencing the greatest crimes ever committed upon our Nation by our own government and the corrupt monies and business interests behind them.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:38 PM
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12. baby steps... "and the truth will set you free"
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:42 PM
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13. Yes, this is how I see it, too, Pachamama. Election theft should also be
included. A global criminal enterprise staged a multi-part coup d'état that began with the theft of the 2000 Presidential election. To do that it had to first insinuate itself inside of the Republican party (where some of its moles have had residence for quite some time). The next stage was the 9/11 event which consolidated the cabal's power further by putting everyone in government and military on notice that they had the covert ability to pull something like this off in broad daylight and get away with it. From that point forward our national "discussion"--what we are about, where we are headed, both domestically and in our international relations--has been framed by "The War on Terrorism" (tm).

I think a good analogy would be a person with a brain tumor. Our body politic has been invaded and taken over by a criminal culture that is threatening the life not only of our nation but the world. It has not only circumvented the various checks and balances our system of government has in place to more evenly distribute power, in many respects it has used them to consolidate its own power to the disadvantage of the rest of us. Now, with the reauthorization of the un"Patriot Act" looming, it is attempting to give itself free reign to monitor any or all of us--that is everyone from the average citizen to Senators, the working poor to captains of industry--24/7 for whatever reason it chooses without our even knowing.

No tinfoil needed.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:02 PM
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14. Great minds think alike...
:hi: Beam Me Up!

And don't worry...there is no tinfoil needed here. You and I are not alone. Intelligent and observant people are looking at the events that have unfolded and the facts behind them that are being revealed. I am a stay home Mom, but I am an Ivy League educated person who used to be an exec in a Fortune 500 company. My family includes scholars and professors and even my own father who although now retired, used to be in the Reagan and Bush administrations in National Security. I have a stepfather who is a retired Colonel who sees what is going on. These are not "tinfoil hat minds" or "conspiracy theorists".

Anyone paying close attention can see that these things are all starting to inter-connect and tie back to the same players.

The recent news of the Pentagon and the NSA being used to spy on US citizens (or I should say more specifically, anyone who isn't a diehard Bush supporter and has expressed opposition to the Bush Cabal of any kind) is very scary indeed. If the Un-patriot Act is actually passed, this should send a chill up and down every American's spine.

I'm very worried indeed and I'm not a fear driven person. But I also still have hope that the truth will prevail and so will justice. It eventually always does.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:19 PM
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15. They know we're on to them. Attempting to steam-roll this reauthorization
of the PA was a very clear sign of this. They've worked very hard and taken great risks to get where they are. The one thing I fear is what they may do if we threaten their positions of power. Still, I do not live by fear. I have heart and believe in the great things possible for us if we work together toward things noble.

Your words give me hope. I am just a self-educated working class boy (old man, now, actually) but I've been watching and trying to define the outlines of this very real conspiracy against our country for a very long time. (I was watching the 'War on Drugs' and see its design as a precursor to the 'War on Terrorism'. I note: 1) These 'wars' are designed not to succeed at their stated aim where, on the other hand, 2) they do succeed as "reasons" for granting government, police, military, and intelligence agencies greater power while justifying the erosion of civil liberties.) I'm glad to hear there are intelligent, educated and powerful people who are paying attention to these activities. I've suspected as much but don't run in those circles, so didn't know for sure. Thanks for that!

:hi:
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:21 PM
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16. Good stuff, sabra. Thanks for putting it up.
I have zero doubt that the Plame outing and the forgeries are tied directly together and that connection is 1600 Pennsyvania Avenue.
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darkstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:06 PM
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19. K&R, thanks for the, er, link
And what a link it is, huh?

Thanks again, sabra. :hi:
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:13 PM
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20. Judge Reggie Walton Ties: Edmonds & Plame Case
Judge Reggie Walton has been 'randomly' assigned to Libby/Plame case.

Judge Reggie Walton happens to be the same judge who happened to get Edmonds v. DOJ Case 'Randomly'; grant two gag orders requested by Gov on Edmonds' case, and prevented Edmonds from testifying/providing deposition to 9/11 Family members attorneys.

Now he is assigned to another court case filed by Edmonds under FTCA; of course randomly!

'Random'??!! I don't think so.

Time to bring attention to 'Judge Reggie Walton'

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:38 PM
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21. thanks, nominated
vital info here
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 06:48 PM
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22. I have to ask--
Was Sibel translating info on the Attempted movement of VX nerve gas thru Turkey, into Iraq, to be found by US troops? But Brewster Jennings intercepted the shipment? It seems that Fitz may onto something very BIG.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:10 PM
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24. mmm..
quite a good question

Fitz must know a lot of stuff by now. I hope he doesn't keep it to himself.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:11 PM
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23. Judge Reggie Walton
You can get financial records of federal judges on the Judicial Watch Web site as you might know.

Go to: http://www.thememoryblog.org/archives/000343.html

Interestingly, Walton's filing from 2003 is completely redacted! Be interesting to know what lies under the ink.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:26 AM
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26. wow, there is nothing there!
so why would Judicial Watch scrub this?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:38 PM
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29. Interesting how Walton got "randomly assigned to TWO of Sibel's cases!
Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 11:39 PM by calipendence
According to this just released article now, she still has a case pending that hasn't been ruled on yet. The one that the Supreme Court refused to hear was her appeal to her first case that Walton ruled against her on. However, it looks like from this article Walton was "RANDOMLY" assigned to BOTH of her cases, the original one and the one that is still pending. Now when you add to his also being "RANDOMLY" being assigned to Libby's case, AND his lack of disclosure. Something REALLY smells! I wonder if we should forward this to the Knight Ridder Bureau folks for them to work on while they still can, that hopefully will get a little more national airplay in their Real Cities network.

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2005/12/17/181422/49

Judge in Scooter Libby, Sibel Edmonds cases is redacted in action

By Bill Conroy,
Posted on Sat Dec 17th, 2005 at 06:14:22 PM EST

What do two of the biggest national-security news stories of the century — the Valerie Plame leak scandal and the legal case of FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds — have in common?

They both are being presided over by the same federal judge in the District of Colombia, Reggie Walton, a Bush appointee to the federal court and a man who appears to have a few well-kept secrets of his own.

...

An appeal in the Edmonds case was recently rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court. She now has a separate case pending in federal court in Washington, D.C. Ironically, in both cases, Judge Walton was randomly assigned to hear her complaints at the District Court level. Walton also has randomly been assigned to hear the Plamegate case involving Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney’s former chief of staff.

So given the high-stakes poker being played in both these cases, one civil and one criminal, why has no one in the establishment press bothered to ask what is contained in Judge Walton’s financial disclosure statement? After all, his investments and financial backers would be of keen interest in gauging his ability to hear these cases in an unbiased manner, right?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:26 PM
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27. Sibel had an hour long interview with Mark Levine on Wednesday...
Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 12:28 PM by calipendence
Go listen to it here (52 minutes with commercials, etc.)

http://www.radioinsidescoop.com/

MP3 file of stream

http://www.mytalkradio.com/InsideScoops/InsideScoop12-14-05.mp3

I think this is one of the first substantive interviews I've heard of hers since the Supreme Court decision. She talks about the newer legislation she's trying to get through congress to help protect whistleblowers amongst other things. Doesn't sound like she's giving up in her fight, though perhaps with her efforts through the courts.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:09 PM
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28. thanks!
haven't heard it.

-the update on your stamp is certainly appropriate!
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 12:22 AM
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30. Wasn't There A Thing With Hastert Earlier This Year With The Turks?
Wasn't he accepting money from them?
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