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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:11 AM
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:13 AM
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1. But, we don't torture ...
I heard the emperor on the TV say that just the other day.

Why do you hate America and torture ?

Cheers
Drifter
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:14 AM
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2. Is this old?
(12/20/2004)
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:14 AM
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3. not only has enough evidence been collected for Impeachment
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 09:21 AM by G_j
but there is more than enough for imprisonment.

example:

http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20050718&s=holtzman

excellent article by former NY Congresswoman,

Torture and Accountability

by ELIZABETH HOLTZMAN

<snip>

The War Crimes Act of 1996

This relatively obscure statute makes it a federal crime to violate certain provisions of the Geneva Conventions. The Act punishes any US national, military or civilian, who commits a "grave breach" of the Geneva Conventions. A grave breach, as defined by the Geneva Conventions, includes the deliberate "killing, torture or inhuman treatment" of detainees. Violations of the War Crimes Act that result in death carry the death penalty.


No less a figure than Alberto Gonzales, then-White House counsel to George W. Bush and now US Attorney General, expressed deep concern about possible prosecutions under the War Crimes Act of 1996 for American mistreatment of Afghanistan war detainees.

<snip>
In a memo to President Bush, dated January 25, 2002, Gonzales urged that the United States opt out of the Geneva Conventions for the Afghanistan war--despite Secretary of State Colin Powell's objections. One of the two reasons he gave the President was that opting out "substantially reduces the likelihood of prosecution under the War Crimes Act."

<snip>
Plainly, both Gonzales and Ashcroft were so concerned about preventing War Crimes Act prosecutions that they were willing to assume the risks--including the likelihood of severe international criticism as well as the exposure of our own captured troops to mistreatment--of opting out of Geneva.

..more..
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:18 AM
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5. They don't have the order
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 09:18 AM by dutchdemocrat
They only have mention of it in an FBI email. They need to get the actual EO.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:16 AM
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4. Why is this press released dated Dec. 20, 2004?
Did this already come out? Was it reported on?
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:19 AM
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6. Here's the link that got deleted...
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:22 AM
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7. After reading something like this, I have to wonder how long it
will take for the United States to overcome these blatant abuses of power and regain credibility with the rest of the planet. Will it ever happen or will the specter of Bush hang around our necks like an albatross for centuries? I'm afraid that his lies and shameful acts will affect us all for a long time to come. He is a stain on America's reputation.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:22 AM
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8. And Bush is the guy the GOP wants to give the power to call you
a terrorist, on a whim and to do the very same shit to you, by way of the Patriot Act! Under the Patriot Act, the President, has the power to declare YOU Or ANYONE else a terrorist.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:24 AM
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9. Interesting, I remember the debate about whether bush had
signed an executive order or not on torture techniques. Here is an article from the Post, dated June, 2004 about a memo on torture:

Memo on Torture Draws Focus to Bush
Aide Says President Set Guidelines for Interrogations, Not Specific Techniques

The disclosure that the Justice Department advised the White House in 2002 that the torture of al Qaeda terrorist suspects might be legally defensible has focused new attention on the role President Bush played in setting the rules for interrogations in the war on terrorism.

White House press secretary Scott McClellan said yesterday that Bush set broad guidelines, rather than dealing with specific techniques. "While we will seek to gather intelligence from al Qaeda terrorists who seek to inflict mass harm on the American people, the president expects that we do so in a way that is consistent with our laws," McClellan said.

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Attorney General John D. Ashcroft yesterday refused senators' requests to make public the memo, which is not classified, and would not discuss any possible involvement of the president.

snip

A former senior administration official involved in discussions about CIA interrogation techniques said Bush's aides knew he wanted them to take an aggressive approach.

more

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26401-2004Jun8.html
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:27 AM
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10. locking
since OP deleted origanl link
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