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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:32 PM
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Why Howard Stern's Departure from Broadcast Radio Should Concern You
Love him or hate him, we should all be concerned that Howard Stern is leaving broadcast radio for pay satellite radio. More and more our culture is getting bifurcated into two groups, those that can afford all kinds of pay media (cable tv, satellite radio, Ipods, internet connection, cell phones, etc.) and those that cannot. To hear the voices that are critical of the people in power, you have to pay for the right, "The Daily Show", "Real Time with Bill Maher", and now Howard Stern.

Yes, Howard is crude and offensive at times, but he also thinks. He went from supporting the war in Iraq to turning against it, and I think that his journey influenced a lot of Americans who took that same path. Howard has always been open-minded and he never took a predictable path to any issue. It's a real shame that people with strong, well thought out opinions can only be heard by the people that can afford it.

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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:34 PM
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1. If terrestrial ("free") radio offered a service that people wanted...
there would be no satellite radio.

BTW...you have no "right" to watch a particular TV show or to listen to a particular radio program.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:50 PM
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6. I Never Said That I Have A "Right"
What I am saying is that media content that's controversial and provocative is getting pushed out into pay venues. Howard Stern is leaving broadcast radio because of pressure by the government to make his show less provocative, and that is dangerous to our culture.

Yes, Howard Stren was crude at times, but many people would find HBO's brilliant mini-series, "Angels in America" crude as well. Both shows provided thought provoking media content
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:55 PM
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8. I believe that Stern is leaving because he's is getting paid 100 million.
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:17 PM
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18. Not exactly
He's getting a boatload of cash don't get me wrong. However the oft quoted 100 million a year figure isn't just his salary. Sirius committed 500 million over 5 years but that includes everything. The salary of the entire cast and crew and all of the expenses of doing the show as well as advertising.

The reason why he is leaving Broadcast radio is because of the escalating censorship caused by the religious right's war on speech through their proxy the FCC. He has been getting more censored progressively and it stifled his creativity and made doing the show not fun anymore. Howard has enough cash to disappear but he wants to work. If there was no satelite to go to he was going to retire from Broadcast radio and then produced other projects.

Now that he is moving to an uncensored environment he can be creative again and not have to be bogged down for which euphemisms are acceptable to say for body parts etc. He'll succeed again there I am sure.
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:17 PM
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19. dupe self delete
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 04:18 PM by Marnieworld
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:33 AM
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51. 500M

Over 5 years with some costs of the show comming out of it.

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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:53 PM
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7. I think the point was that the airwaves are more controlled than ever.
Just like in our justice system, if you want freedom, you have to pay for it.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:08 PM
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13. Yep. Exactly.
Now more than ever, money determines your guilt or innocence, whether you live or die, where you live, if you have children, and now what media choices you have.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:35 PM
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35. when I was a kid there were only 3 tv stations plus pbs
On radio, all we had was AM and it was mostly top 40 stations. There was maybe one news/talk station. Seems like there's a lot more choices now than in the early 60s. By the late 60s and 70s there really wasn't a whole lot more choice on tv unless you count cable tv programming. Radio was better, but by the early 80s it was already going "corporate".

onenote
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:53 PM
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41. And those 3 TV stations went off shortly after midnight
I can remember staying up until they'd play the National Anthem, then go to a test pattern and tone.

You could switch channels (by getting up and turning a knob) when the news was on and the same news report wouldn't be playing; each news station went out and got its own news.

And you could call any radio station and ask them to play something. More often than not, they would. No set playlists, no annoying "on air personalities" that babbled for most of the hour.

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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 06:20 PM
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45. until 1967, ABC's national nws was only 15 minutes long
Moreover, in the early days of television, most stations were owned by local newspapers. While the percentage of newspaper owned stations had declined precipitously by the time the FCC barred local newspaper/tv cross-ownership, ownership of out of market tv stations by newspapers has always been legal. (For example, the company that owns the Washington Post owns 6 television stations). That being said, the number of stations that one company can own has increased and that's not a good thing.

onenote
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:40 PM
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49. newspaper-owned stations
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 08:57 PM by mahatmakanejeeves
In DC, channel 9, now WUSA, used to be WTOP, which was owned by the Washington Post. Channel 7, now WJLA and owned by Gannett, used to be WMAL, which was owned by the Evening Star. I wish the Evening Star were still with us.

dcrtv.com - Washington DC Radio & TV Nostalgia & History
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 04:44 PM
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53. Not only that
But they look the other way when Right Wing hatemongers spread their hate and lies and racist comments but come unglued if someone sees a tit.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:35 PM
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2. I agree with you completely. Until we come to grips and deal with the
RW control over broadcast media, we will always be defined by them.

EVERY other issue important today depends on public knowledge of the actual facts involved.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:36 PM
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3. I complete agree -- I was never a Howard fan until he turned anti-war
Now I'm going to miss hearing him because, as you've noted, I just can't afford to subscribe to satellite radio. I do get basic cable, so I can still watch TDS but I don't have HBO so I miss Maher ... The reason the right has been able to hypnotize so many with its hatespeech is because they basically OWN the AM radio band -- the most accessible free form of media. If people like Stern, Maher, et al. are banished to the hinterlands of pay services, it makes it all the more difficult for our message to get out to the masses.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:38 PM
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5. Stern is not being "banished".
He willingly signed a contract for $100 million.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:18 PM
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20. But the FCC made it difficult for him to keep doing his show ...
and Maher was DEFINITELY banished to cable after 9/11. I meant "banished" in terms of exposure and ability to reach people, not in terms of pay or respect.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:25 PM
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30. what made it difficult for howard wasn't his politics it was his desire
to say fuck on the air. Can't do that on free broadcasting whether you're Howard or Rush.

onenote
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:43 PM
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36. Actually it isn't
Howard has said himself he has little interest in saying the f-word. It's the fact they prevent you from saying a lot of other things than the seven dirty words that ticks him off, and it's all based on the pure whim of the FCC.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:49 PM
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39. agreed, but its still what he's saying not who he is
If he, or anyone else, wants to say certain things, they're going to have to go to satellite or cable or the internet to say them. The only new about this is that, before now, if you wanted to say certain things, you had no outlet at all.

onenote
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 06:04 PM
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43. Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh and I share a birthday.
Totally off-topic, but I just wanted to say that. LOL.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 06:21 PM
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46. Then why can Oprah say certain words on the air and Stern can't.
It was a double standard being applied. Howard never said fuck on the air, and was heavily fined. The FCC was out to get him and succeeded. Who's next?
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:38 PM
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4. Well, you could say
the same thing about the internet. One has to buy a computer, pay for an ISP....etc....

Also, think about how free radio is now essentially controlled by the companies who pay for the commercials.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:04 PM
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11. I Did Say That About The Internet
I listed it as a pay media source that many Americans cannot afford to have.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:22 PM
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22. Okay, I'm busted.....
I just skimmed the post.....my mind is racing......waiting for more feedback on the Fitzpatrick Grand Jury......:spank:
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:56 PM
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9. Even Worse - Howard is leaving to due supression of his Free Speech
Yes, FCC limits free speech, but it just got worse and worse for Howard until he felt he could not speek freely anymore under the FCC.
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:59 PM
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10. Anybody who wants to pay to listen to Howard Stern
is welcome to him. I can't stand that creep.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:07 PM
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12. That's Cool. Just Keep In Mind That Millions of Americans Think That
Al Franken, Randi Rhodes, and Janeane Garafolo are "creeps" as well. Will we have to pay to listen to them as well? Where does it end?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:30 PM
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32. you'll have to pay for them if
(1) they want to use profanity on the air or (2) they can't draw a big enough audience to get advertising support or (3) they get offered and decide to accept more money to be on satellite than over the air. The limit on profanity is nothing new -- its just that now there is an alternative to simply not having a show; the second option is the way its always been. Only the third option is really new -- and its the choice of the speaker.

onenote
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:09 PM
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14. It's a bigger issue than that, though.
As far as "paying for radio", you're paying for content...much as millions pay for cable TV when there ARE free TV channels available.

The Stern issue is not whether you like him or not, it's that America is INCREASINGLY becoming a place where you have to pay to get original content (read dissenting opinion). The majority of the free broadcast media is controlled by a very small number of people.

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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. last I looked there was a lot free content on the Internet
including DU (although I urge everyone to donate).

onenote
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:15 PM
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17. ...and you PAY for internet use...
...unless you do it at the library, where content can be censored.

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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:30 PM
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48. Not to mention this small thing called
shortwave radio. OK, I mentioned it. Mitaswell give a link:

RadioIntel.com
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:11 PM
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15. iPODs, cell phones?
I'm a bit surprised to see these listed as examples of "pay media" that divides haves and have nots. I suppose the same could've been said about Walkmen and wireline phones too?

onenote
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:09 PM
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25. With A Walkman, You're Only Paying for the Device
With Ipods, you pay for the content of that device. More and more media is being transmitted through IPods.

With land line phones, the government regulated how much you had to pay for them. Again, you pay for the device and the service, the content was not charged.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:14 PM
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26. I have an iPOD and all i use it for is to play music I aleady own
To the extent that there is "iPOD-only" content I haven't run across it, but I've only had my iPOD a week.

onenote
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:18 PM
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28. There Are Tons of Podcasts
People are putting out new music. Radio and TV shows, etc, and it's growing every day.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:32 PM
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33. I'll have to check it out
I know that I can download an Podcast of the news and weather from my local radio station, buts its just the same content that is broadcast for free over the air. Is there Podcast content that is exclusive? As I said, I just got my iPOD a week ago and this is all pretty new to me. Where do I find this exclusive content?

onenote
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:21 PM
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21. Lynn Samuels was chased off of WABC in NYC and a Long Island station.
She went to satellite radio as the only way to get out her message. She used to openly criticize Giuliani before it was fashionable, calling him "vile" and "despicable".
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:29 PM
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31. Here in N CA, I had never heard of Lynn Samuels. Now I listen
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 05:30 PM by Zinfandel
to her a few times a week on Sirius "Left", she never fails to make me laugh when she refers to Bush, as "that little cocksucker", or "that motherfucker Bush", to hear it come out of this woman's mouth, out of nowhere, is always hilarious!!!

However, her taste in music SUCKS!!!! (Can't have it all I suppose).
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #31
50. Is Lynn still doing the electronic retro dance music?
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 11:32 PM by no_hypocrisy
Listen, if you want to hear "bad music", see if she doesn't do the "Christmas Eve Sing-A-Long". She gets several callers on the air with her at the same time and they all sing carols horribly off key (in different keys). Now, THAT'S funny!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #31
56. She has good taste in
what she refers to bush as..too bad her music isn't as Dead On.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:26 PM
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23. this is why AAR is SOOOOOO IMPORTANT
It is probably the single most important vehicle we have left to combat the right.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. Look At This Way
Take away your satellite TV, cable, internet ISP, satellite radio, and then look at your news and entertainment options. You only have the three big networks, local channels, and PBS for news and thought provoking entertainment.

This is how a large number of Americans are getting their information. Think about this when you see polls supporting Bush.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:15 PM
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27. you forget the power of Rush on AM radio
You think all people listen to pop music in their car?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:24 PM
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29. or look at it this way
before cable tv and internet, most people had no more than three or four broadcast channels from which they got their information. Talk radio wasn't really big back then, and even now there hasn't been that much migration from broadcasting to satellite (other than Howard who's basically doing it for the money and, so he can say fuck on the air). In short, the amount content that has "migrated" from free over the air broadcasting to cable, the internet, or satellite pales by comparison to the amount of content that wouldn't exist but for those media.

onenote
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:47 PM
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37. That's Not True
You keep leaving out the internet. We pay for the right to access DU through our ISP. This content IS NOT available on the broadcast networks. Not even close. It's not just about saying profanity or showing nudity. It's about being able to present alternative viewpoints.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:52 PM
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40. read my post -- i didn't leave out the internet at all
My point is that the content that is available exclusively on the internet, by and large, has been created for the internet and has migrated away from free over the air broadcast. In other words, the creation of the internet has not resulted in a decrease in free content.

onenote
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #23
34. YOU are SOOOOOOOOO CORRECT! Support Air America Radio!
DONATE --- a few bucks to AAR, it REALLY helps!!!

www.airamericaradio.com

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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:48 PM
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38. People Will See My Point When They Have To Pay For AAR
Then it will dawn on them as to what's really happening.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:58 PM
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42. how do you pay to hear AM radio?
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 04:39 PM
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52. No, You Don't. But What's To Stop The FCC from Deeming AAR Indecent
It wouldn't take much. A series of heavy fines, and poof! AAR has to go out of business or off terrestial radio. Don't think that raunchiness was the ONLY reason why the FCC chased Stern off the air. He's been doing raunchy radio for well over 20 years, and now they decide to take him on after he heavily criticized Bush about the war.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 06:14 PM
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44. Very sad, you should have the right to turn him off. Not have to
pay to listen to him. He will lose millions of listeners, and make millions of dollars. I'm not so sure he would have left to go to satellite if he was free to do the show he wants, without the fear of being personally fined $500,000 per occurrence on undefined content.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 06:22 PM
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47. impossible to say
I'm not sure what he would've done if he could do the show he wants either, but I suspect the money he is being offered by Sirius would be awfully tempting even if there were no rules.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 04:46 PM
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54. It's ten bucks a month
Now if it was more like $100, then we might have something to complain about.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 05:02 PM
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55. There are some really good XM deals out there.
This one offers free,or nearly free units with 3 months subscription.basically,out 38.00 for 3 months(radio included)...
https://espromotions.xmradio.com/xm/
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