Did the breaking of Shrub spying on us kill the Patriot Act today?

Rosco T.

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Fri Dec-16-05 05:15 PM
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Did the breaking of Shrub spying on us kill the Patriot Act today?

auspicious timing wasn't it???

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benburch

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Fri Dec-16-05 05:17 PM
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1. I believe that it did.

Somebody has learned how to time these things for OUR side, finally.

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Rosco T.

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Fri Dec-16-05 05:20 PM
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3. Maybe the NYT "holding" the story back was a good thing...

.. kinda like holding your ammo for the best shot.

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SteppingRazor

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Fri Dec-16-05 05:19 PM
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2. Had a lot to do with it...

And not just from coincidence or "auspicious timing" (as you so eloquently put it :toast: )
More than a few speeches on the Senate floor mentioned this story. Feingold even said something along the lines of "Given this, I don't want to hear anything about how we can trust this administration to protect civil liberties." (not a direct quote, I'm paraphrasing).

So, I think this story directly affected the vote, not simply in its timing, but also in its usage on the Senate floor.

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MessiahRp

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Fri Dec-16-05 05:20 PM
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4. It helped a lot

but Feingold seemed to have a pretty decent sized opposition against it before the story broke too. I think Bush overestimated how much his Republican allies really loved The Patriot Act. I think this also kills dead that ridiculous Patriot Act II idea.

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bpilgrim

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Fri Dec-16-05 05:23 PM
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5. unfortunately it is still alive but hopefully it will get far more

scrutiny by a much wider audience that it richly deserves.

the best we can hope for is an expiration of certain provisions but in the neoCON world apparently they don't need to follow any provisions or laws they just torture who they want when they want whatever they want.

peace

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Wordie

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Fri Dec-16-05 05:29 PM
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7. Dumb question:

I've got C-SPAN 2 on still from the debate over cloture this morning. Is what I'm listening to the fillibuster? Or are they just rambling on about nothing much for no particular reason?

It hasn't been clear all day. I had to leave for a while, after the cloture vote went down, and when I got back they were making speeches about Corzine; now its all kind of different things. I missed the segeway, apparently.

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TheCowsCameHome

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Fri Dec-16-05 05:24 PM
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6. Your government and King George at work. How nice.

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The_Casual_Observer

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Fri Dec-16-05 05:33 PM
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8. Apparently they don't need a "patriot act" to suspend our civil rights

they simply do whatever the hell they want, whenever they want, and it's okay with the "majority". Whatever it takes to keep us "safer", right?

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havocmom

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Fri Dec-16-05 05:43 PM
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15. Yep, beware the Executive Order, signed in secret and never mentioned

Much as I would like to celebrate, this is not over. Cheney and others will go down if they are removed from power. They do not seem the sorts to let that happen.

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FSogol

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Fri Dec-16-05 05:34 PM
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9. Didn't hurt. Wonder how long the NYT & WP sat on that story? n/t

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Redneck Socialist

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Fri Dec-16-05 05:38 PM
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14. The NYT sat on it for a year

according to reports that I heard.

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indepat

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Fri Dec-16-05 05:34 PM
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10. Let's hope it kills all extreme RW initiatives going forward during W's

reign. ;)

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CottonBear

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Fri Dec-16-05 05:35 PM
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11. Was the MSNBC report on a possible Bin Laden tape planned by Rove?

Did anyone else hear this newest Osama scare this morning?

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kevinbgoode

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Fri Dec-16-05 05:35 PM
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12. It SHOULD be breaking the President's butt. . .

There are more than enough grounds for impeachment. His first and primary job is to uphold the Constitution of the United States. Period.

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TheCowsCameHome

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Fri Dec-16-05 05:37 PM
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13. Assuming the president is a man of integrity, which does not apply here.

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