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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:24 PM
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Bush acknowledges his own criminal tendencies...
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 05:35 PM by Wordie
Bush recently said that he would still have invaded Iraq, knowing what he knows now, yet if he had known what we all know now (and I too think he probably did know, but that's a different thread - stay with me here), and had taken us to war solely on that basis, he would have been deliberately in violation of the Congressional Authorization of the war! (Rove shouldn't have let the leash out far enough for Bush to be making extemporaneous comments!)

So Much For That Congressional Authorization

Bush, yesterday:

BUSH: I said I made the right decision. Knowing what I know today, I would have still made that decision.

HUME: So, if you had had this — if the weapons had been out of the equation because the intelligence did not conclude that he had them, it was still the right call?

BUSH: Absolutely.


Ari Fleischer press briefing, March 19, 2003:

Q: The subsequent question I have for you is, the President in his speech two nights ago described the Iraqi threat as one that could be one to five years into the future to obtain either a nuclear weapon or something that could strike us, a non-imminent threat. In the President's mind, is he in this action, setting a precedent that the United States could now act, either preemptively or preventively, depending on how you define it, against a threat that is not an imminent one against the United States?

MR. FLEISCHER: Well, here's how the President approaches this. He believes, number one, based on the reviews conducted by the attorneys, that there already exists a legal basis both in international law, as well as in domestic law, for the use of force to disarm Saddam Hussein. And that is also found in Security Council Resolution 678 and 687, as well as 1441. The President also believes that there is a gathering threat from Iraq that with the failure by Saddam Hussein to disarm of his weapons of mass destruction presents a threat to the security of the United States. And therefore, he has come to the conclusion that after exhausting the diplomacy, that military force must be used if Saddam Hussein does not get out of the country.


Bush, certifying to Congress why the invasion needed to start March 19, 2003:

Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

So if Bush now says he would have invaded anyway even if WMDs had been out of the equation based on the intelligence, then what does that say about this certification to Congress, and the alleged continuing threat posed by Iraq?

(This very good catch was made by Steve Soto, at the LeftCoaster)
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/cgi-bin/mt-tb.cgi/3291

(I remember making a similar point back in 2004, saying that the Authorization only allowed the President to make the decision to go to war in certain limited circumstances, and required a certification that the criteria established by Congress were met...but that too, is a different thread.) :)

(Mods please note: although this post may appear to violate the 4 paragraph rule, much of the material is from public sources, such as the text of the Congressional Authorization for the Iraq war, which would not be copyrighted.)
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 06:04 PM
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1. Kick
Cause it's important
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 06:12 PM
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2. I'm curious. Did bush interpret scripture as a message to invade Iraq?
I can see no rational basis otherwise for him making the statement he would have invaded regardless of the circumstances. The majority of the U.S. electorate was against invasion, even with the WMD hoax. So, what kind of off-the-wall delusion was bush harboring that justified, in his debilitated mind, that the invasion of Iraq was such a good thing that even now he defends that atrocious decision?


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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 06:29 PM
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3. Here is W's reason for illegally invading Iraq.

"The terrorists want to control the oil. Our way of life will be at risk". George W. Bush (Nov. 2005)
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 10:50 AM
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5. Nah...It's: "Cheyney told me to." eom
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:07 PM
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4. The criteria specified by the Congressional Authorization were not met.
We know that now. And again, I think there are plenty of reasons to assert that the Administration did indeed know those criteria were not met. But I'll leave that to Fitzgerald (not to mention the multitude of other threads here on DU on that very topic) to thrash that out.

But Bush, knowing what we all know now, says he would still invade Iraq. Bush was required by the Authorization to certify that the criteria were met, and he did certify. However, since the criteria specified were not met, what Bush is doing by saying he would still invade, is demostrating his complete indifference to the Constitution*, which gives Congress the authority to declare war. Hence, my comment about the criminal tendencies. An invasion not conforming to the will of Congress, as they stated it in the Authorization, is illegal, imho.

*Of course, the other possibility is that he is demonstrating his complete lack of knowledge about how the government works, and that there really are limits to his power.
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