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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:08 PM
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Am I the only one that knows who Abramoff is????
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 11:35 PM by stop the bleeding
I posted this thread in the LBN 24 hrs ago:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1989452&mesg_id=1989452

and it has been getting a little response, but considering the possible implications of this I thought it would have received a little bit more "fire".

this is also a link to response off of the thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1989452&mesg_id=1989513

So am posting it here, is this a big deal or am I taking crazy pills :shrug:

Please read the articles that I have the links to, before responding because after you read them you may not know what to say......



Also the first poster that put a response really hit it on the head about Abramoff flipping.


Give Mommy a Kiss....."
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:09 PM
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1. Abramamoff?
* never heard of him either. :hide:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:18 PM
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2. Here are my crazy pills:
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 11:33 PM by babylonsister
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:20 PM
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4. second thread is incredible - thanx!!! you rock!!!
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 11:22 PM by stop the bleeding
I added it to my bookmarks as well

spare a minute for a kiss???



Give Mommy a Kiss....."
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:37 PM
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10. The first thread is fixed-kiss kiss! nt
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:20 PM
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3. The Abramoff scandal will be huge. We know that and its
implications and tentacles are enormous.

We are kind of waiting to see what will happen.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:24 PM
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5. I think some interesting reading will be coming
down the pike when the perps start testifying against one another. Specially if the mafia is involved although those kinds of connections will really get confusing if a person doesn't follow it closely.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:26 PM
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6. Abramoff?
Isn't he the guy that was gonna sacrifice his son to god but then at the last minute god said "Just kidding"?
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:27 PM
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7. I know who abramoff is....
And this Kidan guy is a big deal because

1. He's the second close associate that has flipped and will testify against Abramoff

2. This involves more than a financial crime, this involves murder.

More than anything else, other than abramoff, all the other players in this sordid scandal are elected officials. If Abramoff stays alive and decides to flip, he has the goods on a LOT of repugs.

:popcorn: :popcorn:
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:33 PM
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8. If he can stay alive.....
Yes, he is the "Golden Screw" holding this whole thing together.

If Abramoff stays alive and decides to flip, he has the goods on a LOT of repugs.



Give Mommy a Kiss....."



PS. You may want to get a backup supply of popcorn.



.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:31 AM
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16. Re: the popcorn. I bought 20 packs just yesterday! eom
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:34 PM
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9. New Diary up at Daily Kos

DeLay Aide Rudy to cop a plea? And other Scandal Jack News

by dengre
Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 09:00:03 PM PDT

This is the biggest development since Michael Scanlon made his deal last month. The Plank, the blog of The New Republic, posted an entry tonight that former staffer to Burns and DeLay and lobbyist for Team Abramoff and the Alexander Strategy Group is getting ready to cop a plea:

Hot stuff: In the latest National Journal, Abramoff-beat ace Peter Stone writes that Tony Rudy, the former Tom DeLay chief of staff who went on to work for Jack Abramoff, "may be close to a plea bargain agreement with federal prosecutors." Stone attributes this to "legal sources familiar with the probe."

If you're in the GOP this has just made you mess your pants.

Add this to the mountain of other Abramoff Scandal news of the last forty-eight hours and it looks like this scandal may start to grow at the rate similar to Moore's Law.

Let's go to the jump...

dengre's diary :: ::
The Abramoff scandal is growing so fast and in so many directions that it is getting hard to track all the new developments.

Here are some of the recent highlights and oddities:

- Adam Kidan pleaded guilty in the Sun Cruz case and agreed to testify against Team Abramoff and his GOP pals. Kidan has worked with Jack since their College GOP days and the Saipan Tribune reported on their visits to Saipan and plans for an international fleet of gambling ships (and floating Money Laundromats).

- George W. Bush is interviewed by Brit Hume and tells two Abramoff lies in one short answer.

- The Austin America Statesman reports that charitable contributions Abramoff claimed he made were never sent to the charities. The article connects the missing donations to a Tom DeLay charity scam for the GOP Convention. Perhaps Scanlon or Rudy will walk prosecutors through this transaction and all of Tom and Jack's "charity" work.

- Asia Week is out with a story on Susan Ralston and her connection to the CIA Leak investigation. It oddly omits her connections to Abramoff.

- Gannett News Service reports on the recent Nightline report about Congressman Ney and his ties to Abramoff. The focus is on Texas political consultant Marc Schwartz allegation that Ney took bribes in 2002.

- Business Week reports on Abramoff's successful efforts to buy conservative columnists since at least 1997. Josh Marshall weighs in with more details, as does the The Plank and The NYTs.

- Ralph Reed now regrets taking Jack's money and is talking about it as the scandal is hurting his run for Lt. Governor in Georgia. No word yet on is he's decided to give the Millions of dollars he got in the swindle back to the Tribes.

- Meanwhile the pressure is growing on Jack's GOP pals to give back money he poured into their coffers. Rep. Pombo will match the $7,000 Jack gave him directly and give it to charity in the hopes that nobody will notice all of the other Abramoff-related money. And Conrad Burns has flip-flopped. Two days ago he wasn't giving any of t he $150,000 back. Now he'll match the amount as a charitable donation, in the hope that nobody will notice what he did for the money. It might not be working The Missoulian today, called for Burns to step down and not run for re-election.

- Overseas, the scandal is also making news. The Telegraph reports that the scandal is a political storm that will hit at the heart of the Right. And a story out of India on the Top financial scandals that rocked the world makes a connection between Jack, Iran-Contra, the Duke Scandal and Cocaine sales in the 1980s. Normally that might be tin foil hat time, but as this scandal grows it is beginning to seem that almost anything might be possible.

I'm sure I've missed some things. Feel free to add them to the comments.

And this weekend's headlines will bring more news. Perhaps even some new details that connect even more GOP players to Jack in meaningful ways.

And the pressure is really on Jack to make a deal himself before his Jan. 9, 2006 SunCruz trial. With Tony Rudy cutting a deal it won't be long before all the good ones are taken (unless you can give up some BIG fish--Tom, George, Karl, etc.)

This is going to get very interesting...






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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:39 PM
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11. OMFG --- Thank you,
This is the biggest development since Michael Scanlon made his deal last month. The Plank, the blog of The New Republic, posted an entry tonight that former staffer to Burns and DeLay and lobbyist for Team Abramoff and the Alexander Strategy Group is getting ready to cop a plea:


:wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow:




No I don't think you missed much but I am sure someone will say something.



Give Mommy a Kiss....."
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:44 PM
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14. Whoops - I didn't think it posted - I thought it disappeared on me so
I did it again - the one below has the pretty bolded parts and a link to the Diary.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:42 PM
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12. Dairy up on Daily Kos on this:

DeLay Aide Rudy to cop a plea? And other Scandal Jack News

by dengre
Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 09:00:03 PM PDT

This is the biggest development since Michael Scanlon made his deal last month. The Plank, the blog of The New Republic, posted an entry tonight that former staffer to Burns and DeLay and lobbyist for Team Abramoff and the Alexander Strategy Group is getting ready to cop a plea:

Hot stuff: In the latest National Journal, Abramoff-beat ace Peter Stone writes that Tony Rudy, the former Tom DeLay chief of staff who went on to work for Jack Abramoff, "may be close to a plea bargain agreement with federal prosecutors." Stone attributes this to "legal sources familiar with the probe."

If you're in the GOP this has just made you mess your pants.

Add this to the mountain of other Abramoff Scandal news of the last forty-eight hours and it looks like this scandal may start to grow at the rate similar to Moore's Law.

Let's go to the jump...

dengre's diary :: ::
The Abramoff scandal is growing so fast and in so many directions that it is getting hard to track all the new developments.

Here are some of the recent highlights and oddities:

- Adam Kidan pleaded guilty in the Sun Cruz case and agreed to testify against Team Abramoff and his GOP pals. Kidan has worked with Jack since their College GOP days and the Saipan Tribune reported on their visits to Saipan and plans for an international fleet of gambling ships (and floating Money Laundromats).

- George W. Bush is interviewed by Brit Hume and tells two Abramoff lies in one short answer.

- The Austin America Statesman reports that charitable contributions Abramoff claimed he made were never sent to the charities. The article connects the missing donations to a Tom DeLay charity scam for the GOP Convention. Perhaps Scanlon or Rudy will walk prosecutors through this transaction and all of Tom and Jack's "charity" work.

- Asia Week is out with a story on Susan Ralston and her connection to the CIA Leak investigation. It oddly omits her connections to Abramoff.

- Gannett News Service reports on the recent Nightline report about Congressman Ney and his ties to Abramoff. The focus is on Texas political consultant Marc Schwartz allegation that Ney took bribes in 2002.

- Business Week reports on Abramoff's successful efforts to buy conservative columnists since at least 1997. Josh Marshall weighs in with more details, as does the The Plank and The NYTs.

- Ralph Reed now regrets taking Jack's money and is talking about it as the scandal is hurting his run for Lt. Governor in Georgia. No word yet on is he's decided to give the Millions of dollars he got in the swindle back to the Tribes.

- Meanwhile the pressure is growing on Jack's GOP pals to give back money he poured into their coffers. Rep. Pombo will match the $7,000 Jack gave him directly and give it to charity in the hopes that nobody will notice all of the other Abramoff-related money. And Conrad Burns has flip-flopped. Two days ago he wasn't giving any of t he $150,000 back. Now he'll match the amount as a charitable donation, in the hope that nobody will notice what he did for the money. It might not be working The Missoulian today, called for Burns to step down and not run for re-election.

- Overseas, the scandal is also making news. The Telegraph reports that the scandal is a political storm that will hit at the heart of the Right. And a story out of India on the Top financial scandals that rocked the world makes a connection between Jack, Iran-Contra, the Duke Scandal and Cocaine sales in the 1980s. Normally that might be tin foil hat time, but as this scandal grows it is beginning to seem that almost anything might be possible.


I'm sure I've missed some things. Feel free to add them to the comments.

And this weekend's headlines will bring more news. Perhaps even some new details that connect even more GOP players to Jack in meaningful ways.

And the pressure is really on Jack to make a deal himself before his Jan. 9, 2006 SunCruz trial. With Tony Rudy cutting a deal it won't be long before all the good ones are taken (unless you can give up some BIG fish--Tom, George, Karl, etc.)

This is going to get very interesting...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/16/2303/6310

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:43 PM
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13. Seems Abramoff is the glue holding the crime empire together
'Family Value Republicans' sorta takes on a whole new meaning after reading the materials linked in this thread.

Lots of stuff going down of late. Just came off the thread about the arrest of Frank "the German" Schweihs who is a person of intrest

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5617693

Schweihs as of late April was on the run from the FBI who want to connect him to some Mob run rackets. If Schweihs can ever be questioned in relation to who ordered the hits on those Mob connected individuals linked to the Kennedy assassination and to where he himself was on the 22nd of November 1963, the thin end of the wedge may present itself. (Schweihs was 33 in 1963)


Damn, a couple of DUer posted that what is going on now all started that day in Dallas. Now, I see their point. Family Values indeed.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:50 PM
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15. I am getting more popcorn,
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/16/2303/6310


Give Mommy a Kiss....."

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