To the apologists: "If you aren't doing anything wrong, why worry

Tom Yossarian Joad

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Sat Dec-17-05 09:10 AM
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To the apologists: "If you aren't doing anything wrong, why worry

Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 09:20 AM by Tom Yossarian Joad

about phone taps and illegal snooping?"

What if it were a Dem president doing this? Or even *gasp* Clinton?

Fucking sheep.

On edit: RealPlayer Link to Lehrer interview asking bush about this on PBS last night.

http://audio.pbs.org:8080/ramgen/newshour/expansion/2005/12/16/20051216_bush28.rm?altplay=20051216_bush28.rm

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CornField

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Sat Dec-17-05 09:13 AM
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1. I'll tell you the truth

Most way on the other side of the political fence do view peace activist groups as a threat to national security. That's why they aren't upset.

As for those closer to the fence, they can see the trees within the forest and understand they are just as likely as anyone else to become fodder for the US Spy Games.

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xultar

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Sat Dec-17-05 09:19 AM
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2. I don't know. I think the Rethugs are gonna have a real problem with this

I don't believe they can sit well with this. Now the soccer moms, fundies, and bubbas will be the apologists in this. But, real' rethugs, constitutionalists, and other crazed right wingers who want government out of our lives will have an issue wih this.

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LaurenG

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Sat Dec-17-05 09:22 AM
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3. I'd like to pose a question

How do we know that this type of thing hasn't been going on - since the beginning of humanity? Maybe the NSA or FBI/CIA (or some other group)has always done this. Just because its been illegal doesn't mean a thing. I think due to communicaton via the internet we are seeing things that we think are new but have gone on for a long time. I know that my ex husband put a tap on my phone years ago. He was a cop and had the backing of his "friends" to do whatever he felt like. I think rulers and those who can have always done this. I am delighted that bush gets to be the one in charge when it all comes out however.

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Tom Yossarian Joad

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Sat Dec-17-05 09:27 AM
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5. After Watergate, they tried to nail home the idea that this was illegal...

After J. Edgar Hoover and Nixon, the evil of this sort of thing was brought front and center. The fucking dolts in charge now figure that it's been too long since those days.

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patdem

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Sat Dec-17-05 09:27 AM
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4. These are the same people who don't think bush* should be investigated

I cannot figure out the logic? If YOU are doing nothing wrong..okay to investigate YOU, but even if there IS proof bush* has DONE something wrong..no..no reason for an investigation? Can someone help me out on this logic? :shrug:

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HereSince1628

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Sat Dec-17-05 09:31 AM
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6. The issue is executive abuse of power, not the targets' activities

The targets' lawfullness is off the point.

Because the conservative personality generally supports authority it never crosses their minds that this abuse of power is about misuse. When we get into misuse many perfectly legitimate conversations contain information that can be misused.

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Poet Lariat

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Sat Dec-17-05 09:32 AM
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7. Here's one of the problems with...

"If you aren't doing anything wrong, why worry about phone taps and illegal snooping?"

When you're dealing with a Totalitarian State at the controls, even peaceful activism to try to protect our constitutional rights is considered a "threat" to their existence. In their minds, a threat to their existence can easily be construed as a threat to national security.

Thanks TYJ!

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NoPasaran

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Sat Dec-17-05 09:37 AM
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8. It's not a matter of being "worried"

The idea that we should be secure in our persons and homes from unwarranted search and seizure is one of the sacred founding principles of our republic. We fought a war to secure that right and wrote it into the Bill of Rights. Idiots who apologize for the crimes of this regime would have done the same for a previous King George.

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China_cat

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Sat Dec-17-05 10:00 AM
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9. Not only that, but everybody has something

in their lives that they'd be embarassed to hell to think somebody in their family, let alone government, knows about.

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Ready4Change

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Sat Dec-17-05 10:10 AM
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10. Well then, lets set up a webcam in your teenage daughters bedroom.

"I mean, I'm CERTAIN your daughter would NEVER be doing anything wrong. And I'm certain no one would EVER misuse the images that are captured by such a webcam.

What are you afraid of? Setting up a webcam is easy. Let's go do it, right now, Mr. Mrs. Surrender-Our-Freedoms-Patriot."

Sheesh.

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Tom Yossarian Joad

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Sun Dec-18-05 08:33 AM
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11. I'm sure Bush would understand if someone started eavesdropping

and filming the private affairs of the twins...

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