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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 06:44 PM
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Republicans are planning to steal the 2008 election.
I hope this isn't a duplicate or old news, but I just heard about it on Ring of Fire. Mike and Bobby just interviewed Harvey Wasserman about this.

I found this article on Truthout.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/120605D.shtml

With New Legislation, Ohio Republicans Plan Holiday Burial for American Democracy
By Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman
The Free Press

Tuesday 06 December 2005

A law that will make democracy all but moot in Ohio is about to pass the state legislature and to be signed by its Republican governor. Despite massive corruption scandals besieging the Ohio GOP, any hope that the Democratic party could win this most crucial swing state in future presidential elections, or carry its pivotal US Senate seat in 2006, are about to end.

House Bill 3 has already passed the Ohio House of Representatives and is about to be approved by the Republican-dominated Senate, probably before the holiday recess. Republicans dominate the Ohio legislature thanks to a heavily gerrymandered crazy quilt of rigged districts, and to a moribund Ohio Democratic party. The GOP-drafted HB3 is designed to all but obliterate any possible future Democratic revival. Opposition from the Ohio Democratic Party, where it exists at all, is diffuse and ineffectual.

HB3's most publicized provision will require positive identification before casting a vote. But it also opens voter registration activists to partisan prosecution, exempts electronic voting machines from public scrutiny, quintuples the cost of citizen-requested statewide recounts and makes it illegal to challenge a presidential vote count or, indeed, any federal election result in Ohio. When added to the recently passed HB1, which allows campaign financing to be dominated by the wealthy and by corporations, and along with a Rovian wish list of GOP attacks on the ballot box, democracy in Ohio could be all but over.

The GOP is ramming similar bills through state legislatures around the US, starting with Georgia and Indiana. The ID requirements in particular have provoked widespread opposition from newspapers such as the New York Times. The Times, among others, argues that the ID requirements and the costs associated with them, constitute an unconstitutional discriminatory poll tax. more...


He has written a book with Bob Fritrakis entitled:

How the GOP Stole America's 2005 Election & Is Rigging 2008, available at www.Freepress.org.

Unbelievable. They are positioning Jeb Bush to run in 2008.

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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 06:48 PM
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1. I just heard him too
Very depressing. How can we stop this?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 06:50 PM
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2. He's got to be impeached sooner and not later.
:scared:

It might help that a credible author has put this book out. It's not just a bunch of us posting about it at DU anymore.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 06:57 PM
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7. that is damn right
with the legal action against Diebold as well this week we are hardly tinfoilers anymore.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 06:51 PM
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3. If enough groups are able to get Dieold, ES&S and Sequioa
Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 06:52 PM by Tiggeroshii
outta their state then, with or without Ohio, we could still win power back in the House of Representatives. If that happens, then there will be plenty of National Laws that will overrules Ohio's State election laws. 2006 will be the crucial electiona nd the one that decides whether justice is done. Everybody is probably going to need to work really hard in order for us to reveal the corporate shit heads for what they are and keep the democracy we still have in order to bring it back in 2006.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 06:54 PM
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5. I think that's all we can do as well
But what about their votes in Ohio? What can they do? :\ I think it's important to take back the House as well and have real hearings and show this fraud. How depressing indeed. :cry:
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 06:59 PM
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10. KEep in mind it wouldn't be the first time in American history where full
on fraud stole elections. It always happened in theearly to late 19th century. We just need to get things in order and stop it really, I think that's the issue. It took awhile for them, but I don't think we will need to wait as long to point out the crud that's been going on the last 6 years.

It is always up for the grassroots to make the imporatnt changes in America. Not the Presidents, Congresspeople and Senators who consistently put politics ahead of what's really important, but you and I. We've started, but we need to keep it up...
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 06:57 PM
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8. No way, Ohio is too pivotal a state. It is the center, and it must hold.
Ohio and Florida are terribly important precisely because their electoral votes can easily go either way. Remember that it is not the popular vote but the electoral votes of the College that count.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 10:38 PM
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31. What I'm saying is..
Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 10:40 PM by Tiggeroshii
Though Ohio might be pivotal in 08(it may not be in 08 depending on the way the electorate is influenced), it is still possible to win the house and senate without Ohio. But we need to get as many people to work on getting diebold, es and s and sequioa outta as many states as possible before 06 so that the people responsible will be held responsible and so that electronic, closed source voting will be entirely kicked out of the country in the next presidential election. If we aren't successful before 06 or 08, we need to keep getting louder unti lwe're heard.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 06:53 PM
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4. So what can be done???
:shrug:
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 07:37 PM
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15. Keep pushing the truth about e-voting
when it becomes common knowledge to a majority of people as to what ohio and Florida is doing it will be STOPPED.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 06:56 PM
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6. They plan on stealing every election...
one way or another. Sometimes they are able to do it with outright lies. Other times, they have to resort to outright thievery.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 06:59 PM
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9. 2006 is before 2008. CAN we fight for 06 NOW and get Dems in office
because I BET that everyone of them knows what to do after 06!

THEY KNOW WE'RE LIVING AT THE VERY IRREVERSABLE EDGE OF A FASCIST STATE!!!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 07:00 PM
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11. If it passes, we will need to boycott all ohio products.
We need to let businesses in Ohio know that because their state government has taken away the democratic rights of the people, and that the businesses and citizens of Ohio did not stand up for their rights we cannot in good conscience do business with Ohio.

http://dir.ohiobiz.com/Business_and_Economy/
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 07:24 PM
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12. There has to be a way!
i am in Ohio, and what Ohio products could we boycott? Hickory Farms, Bob Evens? I can't take anymore of this! If Diebold goes away we'll be fine, right?
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:35 PM
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19. It's not the machines it is the black hearts of the
rightwing zealots.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 07:27 PM
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13. Of course they are! They've done it twice already.
They're on a roll!
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kittenwithmittens Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 07:34 PM
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14. Here's the bill
http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/BillText126/126_HB_3_PS_N.html

It's really big and confusing. I get a headache just scrolling thru it. Does anyone know what sections are particularly bad?
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 07:41 PM
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16. Dear god. The last thing this country needs is another 8 years of Bush.
The thought of that just makes me want to puke in my suit. :puke:
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peace_on_earth Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 07:43 PM
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17. Leon County election supervisor said he believes 2000 was stolen
This is great! Made it on local Channel 2 News!

Watch the video:

http://www.wesh.com/news/5542983/detail.html
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 10:38 PM
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35. No question the election was stolen!
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 07:57 PM
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18. Like rats to the lever that dispenses tasty food,
of course, they will steal the 2008 elections, just like they have stolen the last 2 presidential elections. Rats in laboratories behave the same way. If they push a lever and get tasty food, then push another lever that shocks them, they will push the lever that gives them the tasty food over and over again and leave the shocking lever alone. Republicans, like rats, are a highly predictable bunch in that respect.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:24 PM
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20. Republicans Crooked as hell because they know
No matter what the machines will give them the votes. Pukes running amok like never before, is the feeling of invincibility fueling them fearlessly to all-consuming corruption?
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:43 PM
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21. any evidence that the national Dems Inc party cares? certainly not hillary
who is mining for prex campaign cash in all 50 states under the pretense that is for
her senate campaign.

Or is there evidence I am incorrect?

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:45 PM
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22. I heard on Laura Flanders tonight the Democrat who is
running against Hillary in the primary. He really impressed me and I am so sorry I don't remember his name. But I live on the other coast, so I limit my memory space to things that I really need to know.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:26 AM
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38. Where's Dean?! n/t
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:48 PM
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23. Depressed K&R
Further proof the fascists are getting more and more brazen. They're daring us to do something about it and we don't.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:49 PM
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24. I posted this 12/13 and DU pretty much ignored it then.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:52 PM
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26. I'm surprised no one picked up on it before, but I see now
that you tried. I didn't see it. I think what is making a difference now is that the authors are hitting the talk shows that will listen to them. I hope it get many legs, like a centipede.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:54 PM
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28. me too
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:50 PM
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25. The Culture Of Corruption is alive and well
I can only hope that this becomes more news worthy to the media before they vote on it.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:54 PM
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27. You in Ohio have got to a letter to the editors campaign to
all of your local newspapers.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:55 PM
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29. Will do and will see about the other DUers from Ohio
who can help too.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:55 PM
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30. As much as this annoys me, the Dem leadership needs to
get busy NOW..and spend the money necessary to GET PEOPLE THE IDs..Wasting time fighting in courts (which are NOT friendly to us) is not a good idea.. We will be wailing and complaining after another one gets ripped away from us..

We can HATE the idea of requiring the IDs, but dammit..in the mean time get the people who lack "acceptable" IDs the damned IDs they need..

Worst case scenario, these folks will finally have IDs that they migth need elsewhere.. Every "middle class type" person has a wallet full of IDs, and we readily show them at the grocery store, the library, at school, at work.. why not just spend the money necessary to get these folks IDs.

Frankly I think we ALL should have a national voter ID card.. Costco can manage to make you one while you wait, and even the person at the counter at every 7-11 can manage to operate a "reader thing" when you use your ATM.. Why not use the same technology at the polling places..

the 'tech' strip on the back would ID YOU and only you.. your picture verifies you are who you say you are.. when the card is swiped, it shows that you voted ..It does NOT identify WHO you voted for..



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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 11:29 PM
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32. I'm shocked, I tell you, SHOCKED!
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PeacePal Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 07:24 PM
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33. Thank you, thank you, thank you for highlighting the travesty in OH
The following is worth a read, too. It gives pretty convincing evidence that Ohio's recent attempt to reform Ohio's voting process through voter referendums was thwarted by something other than effective campaigning by the opposition. The Columbus Dispatch's normally reliable polls told one story, and - o, how can it be, Auntie Em? - the electronic vote tally told quite another tale.

It's time we pulled back the curtain, folks, and looked at who's really at the controls.

I,m a Franklin county (Columbus) voter who volunteered as a precint leder for MoveOn to get people to the polls. We WATCHED Kerry win. I've feel like I've been living in some parallel reality since November 3, 04.

I'm getting so discouraged. I find myself in tears once a week. It aches like a toothache.

Pay attention, world.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 07:44 PM
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34. Another book recommendation
Mark Crispin Miller's Fooled Again, which is subtitled "How the Right Stole the 2004 Election and Why They'll Steal the Next One Too"
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-18-05 10:48 PM
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36. "...makes it illegal to challenge a presidential vote count...." WHAAA???!
:wtf:

That is absurd. God help Amerikkka.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:36 PM
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37. Several articles here... Battle for Ohio: The Directory of Politics and...
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