A simple plea: When all this is over, spare real conservatives the...

...fate that the nation will eventually turn on the freeps and neocons. I know many good-hearted conservatives who, on issues like abortion rights could never join the Democratic party but who, like passengers trapped in a burning airplane, have to ride this hell out. Just a thought. I was spewing some pretty real vitriol about neocons/freeps yesterday but wanted to temper it with understanding for the conservatives who are just that- actual conservatives. Who are disgusted and angered by Bush basically doing what their core beliefs say are wrong and killing their party's image.

Kinda weird, I know. But think about this: Without their help, without moderates in each party working with each other, we're never going to fight our common enemy as effectively. I'll probably regret posting this- oh well.

PB

If there were a draft in this country today, there would be a total blood bath opposing the war.

loudly and long. They deserve no quarter. By their silence they have allowed this administration to run roughshod over the country in so many ways it's impossible to list them all. Now the country is beyond broke financially, our civil liberties and constitution have been trashed, people have been killed in an illegal war, New Orleans, from lack of health care and the hits just keep coming.
I will not and can not feel sorry for them.

Really moral choice.

They deserve no quarter.

Nice.

Edit- you'd think Liberals would actually be looking forward to winning over minds and hearts.

Think Again.

to have stopped it all? There are plenty of conservatives out there who dislike GWB and his chums every bit as much as you do, have been speaking out, and are as helpless as you to do anything about it but bitch and moan.

Just because one considers themselves conservative does not mean they approve of war, the debacle in NO, spying in the homeland, torture, and all the other ills of the day.

It isn't all black and white. You have to find support where you can, not slap it in the face. It seems from your post that you condemn anyone who does not see eye to eye with your beliefs 100%, and if that is your frame of reference I think you are going to be on the losing end of a lot of elections.

To get these idiots OUT we have to work together. TOGETHER! Fuck the "I give them no quarter" crap.

...I'm saying. Instinctively, it's anathema to me to cooperate with the devil. I guess I'm skirting dangerously close to "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". At least for the moment. I anticipate a better day when things are not so dire when I can go back to hating all conservatives equally. However, the antichrist has risen out of their party and I know many of them are not pleased with this development, themselves.

PB

there is a big difference between taking the moral high road and winning elections. A huge difference. And elections, as flawed as they are, is what we have left to us. If we get the Congress in 06, we might have hope of impeachment before 08.

You are so right that many conservatives are horrified at what has become of their party. This group is a whole different animal.

I come from a long line of fiscally and socially conservative folks who are sick of the fear mongering, the money, the ... well, you get the picture.

A true conservative in the old mold is far more interested in fiscal management and keeping government smaller than abortion, gay issues, and all the other red herrings the religous right throws out there.

who run for elections. They can buy ads that say not all repubs support this stupid war and their president's unsustainable tax cuts. They can go onto talk shows and say out loud that the "War on Christmas" is blow-up bullshit. They can leave the repub party and join the libertarian party. There's plenty for them to do.

What do you suggest we do? I don't mean that facetiously, if you've got some ideas share them. Lord knows, anyone who has anything do with Bush I instinctively hate. It's observation of that inner response of mine that got me wondering if it was really a productive one. Applying this to all conservatives equally seems like a rhetorical standpoint which is untenable in reality. I plan on crucifying neocons, and that day will come, but the day after there has to be some reconciliation with the great body of their party.

Even after we defeated Germany, we did not nuke/slaughter their entire populace on the principle that they supported such heinous deeds- that all were as damned as the guiltiest ones.

PB

what to do. Of course if I had the inside track on this I'd be a wealthy woman.

But it seems to me the thing to do is to concentrate totally on 06. We need to not waste our emotional energy on anything less. Raise money, get out there, talk, talk, write, write... get the best damn candidates.

Not let up the heat on Bush, but we have other work to do. We spend so damn much time in a circle shooting each other for our various beliefs, etc. I think DU could be a powerful influence but I'm so impatient right now with the quality of a lot of posts, which are really just circle jerk crap "Listen to what I said to the freeper" that make me think we're a bunch of tribal-needy jerks. And I include myself in that statement.

Time to take a shower, get dressed (figuratively) and be proactive in taking our country back. No whining allowed!

well in the past :sarcasm:

It just leads to more extremism.

if we let the Dems eff this once-great country up I'd expect to be held liable. oops. Wait. They did. We did. Nevermind.

I know plenty of fiscal conservatives who vote repub out of habit or the like, but I don't see them talking about taking back their party from the nutjobs in charge. When I start seeing that, I'll reach my hand out across the aisle.

Time to speak up is every two years. Crickets chirping. They hate Dems and common sense more than idiot crooks they support.At least some of the liberal Xians are beginning to stand up. Conservatives gripe then go elect more GOP idiots.

Right after we build the gulags to hold them, comrade.

and that their votes get counted, maybe you should be talking to other people, and not folks on a democratic discussion board. Frankly, I applaud the destruction of the Republican Party apparatus. Clear out the dead wood, and then I'll be happy to talk to the reasonable conservatives about structuring public policy.

And yes, I believe in voting rights, and rights not conditioned on requiring that everyone be just like me. Don't give any crap, I'm way to old and have NEVER voted for a repug in my life, not once, no variance. But I sure get scared by all this talk of how we are going to exact vengence upon the non believers. I believe "repent or die" is not our best approach.

What they really feel "inside" is irrelevant.

...the majority of the Republican (God I hate that word) party. What I hope happens to neocons/true supporters of Bush is likely to grisly to be posted without the thread being locked but what I'm examining here is how can we:

A) Use their own party's angst at Bush's BIG GOVERNMENT against Bush
B) Start rebuilding "the day after"

PB

As Bush said himself, "We had a moment of accountability. It was the election".

They actively put this guy back in office.

...posting this message. Right now, conservatives of all shapes and shades are about half our country. I guess one possible question is after Liberty's hand sweeps this horrible, horrible nightmare aside- how do we begin to rebuild America to make it, again, the strongest and most desirable nation to live in? We can't make everyone a liberal, so...?

Can we do that with a Liberal-style Mau Mau rebellion against conservatives? I belive that Bush is pushing undeclared civil war and for those conservatives who have stomach for that fight, bring it on. I can't say I won't be scared but I can say I will do everything in my power to wipe them from the face of this earth.

But is that 40-50% of our population? My point is here, there has to be some plan, some approach to weeding with extreme prejudice these monarchists out of our population but not destroy our own country (to save it) in the process. I believe "when the shit goes down" that we can't just label all conservatives as "the ultimate enemy".

PB

That's what I was speaking to.

PB

And Bush still squeaked by (if you believe the newspapers, of course).

Seems to me there wasn't much room for Republicans of any shade to simply sit the last one out.

...or whatever you'd like to call them can make mistakes. Big ones. Are they happy with Bush? I don't think so. Can we use them to remove Bush from office more quickly than without them? I think possibly.

PB

I won't complain at all. But I don't see any reason at all to reach out to Republicans in the party platform. Why? Why make concessions when the opponent is in a position of weakness. If anyone needs to be reached out to, it's the Greens.

Now- if you're just talking about individuals, that's a different story. Personal relationships are very different and I have no problem socializing with Republicans- so long as they aren't neocon Bushbots.

hardly translates to 40-50% of the population.

is a fascist and an enemy of humanity

...proceed?

PB

crimes against humanity trials

war crimes trials

treason trials

war profiteering trials


we can use the public record, political donations, voter registration records

reeducation camps

mental health evaluations

it will be easy. it will just take time

Oh wait, that's a slogan of the right wing nut jobs.

or even criminal prosecution?

I was commenting on the over the top rhetoric on the part of some people on this thread. Too many people seem to see political opponents as being hopelessly evil and in need of elimination rather than conversion. That's a totalitarian mindset.

I don't care to learn the subtle distinctions among fascists.

Moderates in each party? They've done so much good so far... :sarcasm:

The point here is we have an enemy. Actually, two. One we're used to doing battle against, the other is an even more disgusting offshoot which the first group ("general conservatives") probably hate as much as we do. If we make our sworn enemy ALL conservatives, fine. How do you propose we proceed?

I'm stating that I believe that since we're talking about tens of millions of people, we have to stop somewhere when we eventually crush them. I also believe we can use moderate conservatives to help us fight neocons who please neither us nor true conservatives.

PB

But I don't intend to pretend to like them. Honestly, if it comes to retribution, I think we should hit their middle and not their fringes. Take down the moderates in a way that leaves the fringe quaking in its jackboots.

No MediCare for you. Come back next year

the Dem. platform. Good plan. That will do us a ton of good.

you have to give them the benefits after a strike, but they don't deserve. Letting them opt out is not second class it is choice.

now they can live with it (or not I don't care anymore). Aren't they the people always spouting off about taking responsibility for one's actions? Making your choice and living with the consequences is supposed to be why they are 'better' than us.
I say fuck 'em, let 'em stew in the mess they created.

I can distinguish real conservatives and these Neo-Cons Nazis. But it sure won't be kumbaya with any of them, if they voted for this nut job!

?

No, a necessary evil.

PB

A primary challenge, low turnout. What we can expect is a kinder , gentler evil. They are idiots don't depend on them for crap. They still believe in privlige, and social Dawrinism.ad agressive foreign policy.

I don't get what you mean...

Look around DU and you'll find support for balancing the budget, staying out of other countries' business, respect for privacy, the belief that America can be a better place, support for families...these are conservative values. Never confuse the neocons with conservatives.

...help alienate and destroy neocons.

PB

To hell with them.

...Bush will use media outlets like Fox, Limbaugh, Coulter, et al. to whip neocons into a frenzy. I believe these neocons, like the origianl "brownshirts" from Hitler's Germany will raise the level of intimidation to a new, physical, armed level. Think "minutemen". I believe it's likely there will be an undeclared civil war of sorts with outbreaks of violence across the nation as we and these groups clash. We will win but the point I'm making is we have to draw the line in our retribution.

I don't think it's realistic to think that should incidents like that start appearing we, as liberals, can declare vengence on all conservatives, period.

I believe that we can leverage true conservatives' hatred of neocons help root out this evil more quickly.

Or, as some have suggested, to hell with them all. I don't see anything wrong with thier response, Bush as fucked us over more than any other conservative president. However, declaring war on all conservatives seems like a hard, unrealistic, unprofitable way of going about it.

If you care to elaborate on your thoughts, especially with the scenario I've outlined above, I'd be very interested to hear them. I'm going to be leaving the house sometime this afternoon and may not be able to reply to your messages as promptly as I would like but I am genuinely interested in them, nonetheless.

PB

Enabling the evil b eings is as evil as being the evil beings.

There is no difference, they are all pure evil.

I just want to make sure I understand your position. That would imply that all liberals are pure goodness. I'm not sure how steeped in reality each of those generalized statements are but I'm having trouble discerning something more subtle.

PB

ergo, all conservatives are evil.

I will only give them a break if they acknowledge Bush's wrongdoing now, before impeachement begins.

Not to get into a Lieberman discussion here but I'm wondering if you think it is self-evident that he's "good"?

PB

but "guilty"? Where are you going to imprison all of them? I'd like to know so I can start preparing care packages for my 84 year old mom.

Hey, if you're a neocon I can eat breakfast while you crawl around in front of me, bleeding from the eyesockets. But, um, "all conservatives are pure evil"?

I'm kind of suprised to see that sort of hyperbole advertised as truth, here.

PB

Now I've seen everything. :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

Lots of urges to be accepting of the god damned American Fascist movement refugees, but Greens are to be scorned.

...were it not for their horseshit in 2000, Gore would've clearly won Florida. The vote totals in his column would've made it impossible for the GOP to steal, or the Scotus to hand it to them.

Haven't had much use for "Greens" since the day they helped put the current regime in power five years ago.

but didn't Democrats in Florida who voted for Bush outnumber Greens who voted for Nader?

Republicans. But I see you're fine with them.

Haha.

Yet they will support a party that's willing to put that baby on the streets...homeless? They are willing to support a party that takes food out of that babies mouth? They are willing to support a party that makes it impossible for that baby to grow up and go to college? They support a party that takes jobs away from that babies mom or dad? They support a party that has NO COMPASSION for that baby ONCE IT'S BORN? Give me a FUCKING BREAK. What "Real Conservatives" need to do is look at EVERY OTHER issue while putting abortion aside. Abortions are rare in the grand scheme of things. LIFE is every day. They support LIFE? My ass.

...this is about how we view conservatives in general and differentiate them from neocons. It's also about whether or not we choose to leverage the conservatives against the neocons and what benefits, if any, this leveraging could provide.

PB

"Real Conservatives" are just as complicit as the neo-cons. Know why? They CONTINUE to let the "neo-cons" destroy our country. How many "real conservatives" have you heard screaming for the idiot's IMPEACHMENT? NOT ONE. Abortion may not be what your post was addressing, but it sure as hell is the reason they do what they do no matter how BAD it is for this country. They are complicit. They are responsible for everything that has happened in the last 5 years and I don't give a shit if they are NOW remorseful. TOO LATE, IMCPO.

They should have spoken up when the 2000 election was stolen.

They should have spoken up when 60,000 people were purged from the FL. voting rolls.

They should have spoken up when THOUSANDS of Floridians were disenfranchised by the FRAUD that happened in the 2000 election.

They should have spoken up when the 2002 election was stolen.

Where were they when Saxby Chambliss stole Max Cleland's Senate seat by HACKING evoting machines?

Where were they in 2004 when people stood in line for 10 FREAKIN' HOURS to VOTE?

Where were those "REAL CONSERVATIVES" when the 2004 election was stolen?

Where were they when the tax cuts were given to MILLIONAIRES?

Where were they when the repukes passed that disastrous bankruptcy bill?

Where were they when the repukes passed that g-dforsaken Medicare bill?

Where were they when repukes cut BILLIONS of $$$$$$ from VETERANS Programs?

Where were they when Unemployment benefits were taken away from UNEMPLOYED people?

Where were those "Real Conservatives" when the repukes in Texas gerrymandered districts so they could steal seats?

Where were they when .....DAMN. I could go on and on and on and on and on with CRAP these people have done and I didn't see any of those "real Conservatives" standing up to defend the weak, the poor or the downtrodden. :( Not once, not EVER. They can kiss my ass, friend.

Ok, how do we proceed to correct this evil? I'm not being facetious as I mentioned in another thread- I'm really curious as to how you deal with these 100+ million that you believe are as complicit as the foulest of the Bush Crime Family?

PB

DEMOCRATS are a MAJORITY in this country....when evoting machines aren't used. Get rid of the evoting machines and the "real conservatives" are inconsequential. They can wallow in their own self-made miserable, hateful world and leave me the hell alone.

I admit I don't really have a response- I'm getting ready to leave the house...I had no idea this thread would attract so much attention. Something about others being "inconsequential". It reminds me of Bush when he said that he wouldn't deal with Jesse Jackson and maybe some others because they were "irrelevant". I'm not saying you're acting/speaking like Bush, but there's something about that statement- a statement that basically defines a minority as inconsequential...defining a minority as inconsequential...there just seems to be something dangerous about setting a precedent like that. That could and possibly has been turned against us as a Nation.

PB

and destroyed the very FOUNDATION of this country...a free and fair election? Hell no they didn't. Defining a REPUKE minority as inconsequential is the truth. I don't like them. I don't need them. I don't want ANY of them involved in my government ever again. They mean NOTHING to me except HATRED, MEAN, GREEDY, SELFISH, COLD-HEARTED and miserable human beings. I wonder how dangerous they thought it was when they investigated a sitting president for 8 FREAKIN' years over a BLOW JOB? Please. Those people don't deserve compassion or forgiveness. What they do deserve is a special place in hell.

Please post the dress code, hair style, life style, careers, attitudes and beliefs so we can follow them in totality without variance, thereby achieving oneness.

to what REALLY matters in this world. REPUKES can't/won't do that. Big difference.

REading the cries for revenge, I wonder when the purge will start. We'd only have to eliminate 100million. For crissakes folks, we're supposed to be supporters of democracy. Lincoln gave us a model, you don't extract revenge upon your vanquished brothers when you have defeated them. I get the feeling that many here would be comfortable with a political based cleansing. Very scary reading that here.

...so I thought.

"What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side"

PB

Did any of those "real conservatives" think about our "Democracy" when they spent 8 freakin' years trying to impeach Clinton? How concerned were THEY for our "Democracy?" They, those "real conservatives", started this shit during Clinton's term and as I see it, they have YEARS to pay before they are released from the wrath of Democrats. They had no mercy, nor shall I.

Want to know how I got involved in politics? Years ago, I picked up "Blinded By The Right" by David Brock. After reading that book, seeing the "behind the scenes" crap the repukes were involved in during the Clinton debacle, and picking my jaw up off the floor because of what I had read, I decided then and there that those people were EVIL, they would stop at NOTHING to take over this country and I was not EVER going to just sit by and not participate as I had before. Democracy is not a spectator sport. We need to participate. We need to fight for it and that's what I intend to do. "Real Conservatives" are why we are here. "Real Conservatives" are just as complicit as the neo-cons....in fact, I really don't see much of a difference between them.

Goode's page says they aren't accepting any more emails right now. I got through to Allen.

...contingent here at DU. That would be those who post phony nonsense about "no quarter" and "round them all up" nonsense.

Some are in this very thread, but they are a small minority. Most of us recognize that in a free, democratic country others may believe differently than we do, and vote accordingly, but that they are not some abstract "enemy" that need to be "spared" when our side comes back into power--as we inevitably will (that's the nature of democracy, swings and pendulums).

as "true conservatives." Just too tired of it. They voted for the fascism because...they like the fascism. Just a less overt form of it. They could never join the Democratic party because of "issues like abortion rights" because...they don't understand that women have a right to control their bodies in the same way that men do. That's ignorant and unacceptable because it's, you know, (or maybe you don't) misogynist. They don't understand that people who love members of the same sex have a right to be married to them because...they think it's okay to discriminate against gay people. Yes, I'm aware the most elected Democrats won't support gay rights either...because of the strangle-hold "true conservatives" have on the media and many of the religious zealots in this country, making it impossible for progressives to say they support it and get or remain in office. The "true conservatives" defending what Bush did to NO because he doesn't, in fact, like black people because...it doesn't matter to them that the bulk of all people who died as a result of Katrina were African-American and left to suffer and pass away as the direct result of the racial inequality and poverty they lived with in this prejudiced nation because...do you get that I'm tired of it? People who have voted Republican for the past--ever can call themselves whatever they like. They're no better than the Free Republic folks or the neo-cons simply because they value a little less oppression.

Membership is irrelevant. Voting is what counts. So what do you suggest we do with the non-believers and heretics when you gain the throne?

all seven of them

I want to identify hyperbole as hyperbole and genuine sentiment as genuine sentiment. I feel thankful to have know many, many types of people in my life. I save dire condemnation only for neocons. It seems that in a party which represents Democracy that such a large portion (actually all) of an opposing view should be condemned for the sins of half, 3/4 of their party...

But all?

I don't say it has to be pleasent but good God it seems as though condemning all of the entire party as though they were the worst of them- just doesn't seem right. After Bush is removed, people with differences with us will still exist. We will still have to work with them to rebuild. Or decimate, imprision (as some in this thread have intoned) them all?

Hardly the melting pot as I envision it.

Believe me, every monarchist should have a cherished place in every town where they can "chill out" and "swing": Namely any lamp post with a low-enough beam to throw a rope over. However, do people believe that all conservatives meet the criteria of the worst neocon?

PB

ie" Walmart supporting forced Chinese abortion. But where i am in red California they are completely unrepentent and pig headed, and talk out of both sides of their face. I see none of these so called reasonable Cons. We can expect nothing from them.

One of my sisters-in-law was one of those honest( intelligent, if not always well-informed) conservatives. We rarely speak politics, but out of the blue yesterday, she basically apologized for voting for Bush claiming she should have known better, she should have been more informed, and all she can do to make up for it is to really support Dems. She hangs with a lot of her conservative friends, and she really thinks many of them are ready to go Dem. But she said a couple of things that gave me long-term hope. She was anti-choice ( probably still is, but has also become very disenchanted with R.C. church, mostly about their stance on gays), but said that with this lunatic in office, we need to be a lot more concerned with those who are already born than those who aren't. It's almost as though she's been listening to Jim Wallis and Sojourners. And this is what gave me hope: basically, she felt if she was lied to about Iraq, Katrina and ( the list did go on), then she was probably lied to about a whole lot of other stuff.

We won't win back our country without them. (Democracy is all about counting every vote whether we like it or not, right?, as long as the election is free and fair.) Alienating them and attacking them would be incredibly damaging.

I don't think we should punish people for failing to have been cynical or for not being fanatical about politics. People they trust told them to vote for Bush, so they voted for Bush. They didn't do it maliciously.

The moment that they're acknowledging the error of their ways is not the time to whack them upside the head. We should, and for practical reasons have to, welcome them to the world of reality.

well off suburbs of Dallas.

If people acknowledged that they were wrong, voting for this guy was a huge mistake, he's a disaster, we'd have a starting point.

But I'm not hearing any of that. At most, how "unfortunate" Bush has been with 9/11 and Katrina etc. Not anything about how he has influenced events to get us here.

is the the observation that people are selfish. When you elect people with a selfish philosophy to office, you are going to get exactly what we got now. Conservatism works in theory, not in practice. It's kind of like communism.

I understand what you are saying, but I reject the idea that the government we have now is not made up of "real" conservatives.

Martin Luther King, Jr.


-All men are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality

-We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools

-Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false with the true. Power at its best is love implementing the demands of justice. Justice at its best is love correcting everything that stands against love.

-Never succumb to the temptation of bitterness

-We must develop and maintain the capacity to forgive. He who is devoid of the power to forgive is devoid of the power to love. There is some good in the worst of us and some evil in the best of us. When we discover this, we are less prone to hate our enemies.

-We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.

-Love is the only force capable of transforming an enemy into friend.

Martin Luther King, Jr.

but rants and violent rhetoric are far more fun and a lot easier. I wish MLK was alive now, a man who realized life was short and there was no time for hatred.

. . winning over minds and hearts rather than vengeance.

That's not how it works. Hearts and minds are not won from outside pressure or persuasion. They are changed when the person owning them realizes and then admits that they were terribly wrong and decides to do something about it.

And that happens very seldom in life to anyone.

What will happen is their cause will be thoroughly discredited and their leadership humiliated, some pols will be imprisoned for felonies and some possibly impeached. This has already started to happen as you know. You can see some of the more brazen journalists start to aim their venom at Republicans instead of Dems - like Maureen Dowd.

Then you will hear how much these conservatives knew all along those neo-cons were up to no good and how they really were on our side all along - but just couldn't say much about it because of conservative pressure (family, boss, whatever).

the pinch, I hear? This is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to try to wriggle out of the responsibility they bear for the disaster that has become of the country. A burning plane? Give me a break! Only if the plane is sitting on the runway with all the doors open and the flight attendants pointing the way out.
I am probably more conservative on real issues of governance than most DUers and it was crystal clear to me in the 2000 primaries what this idiot frat boy, and his cronies were up to in the primaries. I was absolutely dumbfounded when the re:puke:s nominated this singularly unqualified asshole.
Now that it's all coming to light we're hearing the pathetis plea to "spare real conservatives"? Fuck that, they wanted a nation without mercy and by God we should give it to them.

I would love to see the day when we can choose whether to "spare" them or not. As it happens, "real conservatives" in the corporate power structure, the criminal justice system, and the government will retain the power to "spare" or "murder" us no matter who is in the white house.

It is a psychological mindset.

It is based in support for and alliance with authority (authoritarianism), intolerance of difference (bigotry), fear of ambiguity (need for closure) - and other basic fears and needs.

These develop early in life. They will find and become part of whatever political / religious institutions satisfy those needs in whatever society they are in.

Many Germans did that in the late thirties and found themselves Nazis.

Many Americans are doing that now - and find themselves Republicans and/or neo-cons.

The politics is just a way to express one's needs and fears. The human psychology of conservatism is the part of the human condition that will always be there - waiting for thugs and criminals and liars to come into power - so they can support each other.

I suspect that conservative governments where aid for the poor is considered largesse and where there is a big difference in wealth from one end of the economy to the other - breeds more conservatives.

It's the, "I'm gonna' get mine and fuck the rest of ya" - mentality that has come into it's glory over the last 5 years. The poor bastards don't realize that the game is fixed and the super wealthy have all the cards now.

by not opposing him and not speaking out against him in full force whenever he did something harmful.
"real conservatives" are just as guilty for aiding and abeting *. They signed on the dotted line in 2000.

Kumbaya and all that.
Whoopee.

What's that bit from the OT about the watchman who sees the Sword come, but does not sound the horn?

Fuck the whole lot of them. They stayed silent and supported this Junta in the hope that their portfolios would swell like Ron Jeremy's cock.