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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:03 AM
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How many times did W use FISA BEFORE 9/11?
What is that number? I know it was really low and way less than Clinton used.

Contact the media with this. I know they won't touch it with a ten foot poll but we still have to try.


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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:08 AM
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1. Coleen Rowley (remember her?) BEGGED for a FISA warrant...
before 9/11 and FBI headquarters refused, at one point questioning the spelling of the subject's name until Coleen looked it up in the Paris phone book.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:14 AM
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2. the real question is how many did they turn down before 911 and WHY?!?
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 10:15 AM by bpilgrim

(Coleen Rowley actively participated in the following events:)


August 23-27, 2001: Minnesota FBI Agents Convinced Moussaoui Plans to Do Something with a Plane, Undermined by FBI Headquarters Complete 911 Timeline
In the wake of the French intelligence report (see August 22, 2001) on Zacarias Moussaoui, FBI agents in Minnesota are “in a frenzy” and “absolutely convinced he (is) planning to do something with a plane.” One agent writes notes speculating Moussaoui might “fly something into the World Trade Center.” (Newsweek, 5/20/02) Minnesota FBI agents become “desperate to search the computer lap top” and “conduct a more thorough search of his personal effects,” especially since Moussaoui acted as if he was hiding something important in the laptop when arrested. (Time, 5/27/02; Time, 5/21/02) They decide to apply for a search warrant under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). “FISA allows the FBI to carry out wiretaps and searches that would otherwise be unconstitutional” because “the goal is to gather intelligence, not evidence.” Standards to get a warrant through FISA are so low that out of 10,000 requests over more than 20 years, not a single one was turned down. Previously, when the FBI did not have a strong enough case, it allegedly simply lied to FISA. In May 2002, the FISA court complained that the FBI had lied in at least 75 warrant cases during the Clinton administration, once even by the FBI director. (New York Times, 8/27/02) However, as FBI Agent Coleen Rowley later puts it, FBI headquarters “almost inexplicably, throw(s) up roadblocks” and undermines their efforts. Headquarters personnel bring up “almost ridiculous questions in their apparent efforts to undermine the probable cause.” One Minneapolis agent's e-mail says FBI headquarters is “setting this up for failure.” That turns out to be correct.

more...
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-828

peace
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:20 AM
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3. Sounds like a good FOI request
I've never done it, but I'm betting they wouldn't disclose it anyway.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:29 AM
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4. Link to a Skip Fox post...

According to May 20, 2002 Bush Watch:

http://www.bushwatch.net/bush.htm#feature

<snip>

Ari Fleischer says the 'dots couldn't be connected' until after passage of the USA-Patriot Act; this is complete nonsense, of course, the FBI agents in the field were prevented from connecting the dots before 9/11 because Ashcroft and the Administration had shut down the granting of FISA warrants (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act). Whereas, the record of the Clinton administration and Janet Reno was that no FISA requests were refused, under Ashcroft and the Bush administration FBI field agents were unable, after repeated requests, to obtain a FISA warrant against Zacarias Moussaoui even after French Intelligence had named him as having Al Qaeda connections. Among other useful things, Moussaoui's computer held the phone number of Mohamed Atta's roommate.

<snip>


Of the 900+ FISA warrants issued in 2001, the majority were probably issued post 9/11 but the administration is keeping this figure quiet:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/oct2001/civ-o06.shtml

<snip>

Many of the requests for surveillance by the FBI, the CIA and the National Security Agency of suspected terrorists and spies are being processed by a secret court created in 1978 under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). The FISA court is a seven-member body appointed by the US Supreme Court, which meets every other week for two days in a soundproof conference room at the Justice Department. The Court approves secret intelligence-gathering warrants at the request of these law enforcement agencies, and uses a lower criterion for approval than the "probable cause" standard applied in other criminal matters. The target of the requested warrant is not represented at the court's hearings. It has not been made public how many secret warrants the FISA court has issued since September 11.

<snip>


We do know that post-9/11 921 people were "rounded up" ( http://www.uchastings.edu/boswell_01/Text/CRACKDOWN.htm ) which indicates highly increased activity at Justice and that the majority of FISA warrants were issued in 2001 after 9/11. (Does anyone know how many? I have heard that Ashcroft did not approve a single request, which does not seem credible and I have been unable to find any active links to this effect.)



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x45821
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:38 AM
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5. I was just trying to his 'follow the FISA' - thanks
Any idea what's happened to him?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:50 AM
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6. The last post I found was Dec. 1st this year:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1958726#1959149

Skip's a busy college professor. I'm also guessing the infighting here has turned him off.
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