the freepers are using the old "well Clinton did it"

How much truth is there to this claim? Has anyone really LOOKED IT UP???

that "blame game"

they would be in trouble. They use him to try to make us mad and forget the real mess they have us in.

changed huge deficit to surplus?

had affair with an intern?

sent troops to Somalia? Kosovo?

saw a major economic expansion that benefited everyone?

got his spouse elected to the Senate?

what?

(could help if you would expand on what you want to say, otherwise, why bother to read your post?)

I just read it in another post here about 10 minutes ago.

... there isn't a legal problem. Bush* refused to get warrants, even though they are easy to get, and arbitrarily started spying on people.
Hell, legally he could have started spying on people and got a warrant 72 hours later and it still would have been alright.

The question is why did he refuse to do that?

Clinton didn't send troops to Somalia.

then 911 may have never have happened. The sheeple are confused trying to keep up with all the damn lies.

Might have stopped, say, the Oklahoma City bombing... But 9/11?

For one, Clinton was not president then. And, second, no matter what intelligence they would have presented, would Bush have stopped it? I doubt it.

Its insane, isn't it?

But you're exactly right.

They can't honestly believe that Clinton spied on us, and that Clinton's refusal to spy on Americans (aka, lack of will) resulted in 9/11.

Its impossible to honestly hold both beliefs.

But, then again, that's the way most conservative views work.

And its not like these people are hung up on honesty...

Is that clearer for you now?
The professor

clinton did do it. i do think we need to know. there is a thread about a reporter talking about clinton doing it that is persuasive. i need to know. i like the facts when in argument, and i dont like giving out false information. one of the things i have talking to my repugs is i give them what is true

i want to know if clinton did this too, or if there were lines he had and followed that are not being talked about, that makes what bush did different

Bush* thinks that he has legal authority because of a bill congress passed to thwart Al Qaeda after 9/11. Clinton didn't have that bill to use as cover.

he lies about everything. that is the challenge in this administration is to find all the lies. i am willing to find the lie here, so when someone says clinton did it, i can say, once again blame clinton five years later, this is pathetic, here is the difference

I don't know about the claim that Clinton spied--most Presidents do.

The issue with Bush is he simply ignored going through the correct legal channels, where the say requests for National Security surveillance are rarely turned down. Bush flaunted his contempt for having to go through legal channels, because he apparently
doesn't think the law applies to him!

with warrants. i am going all out arguing bush breaking law and constitution. if clinton did it..... makes a difference

And you know, only the people who know the book well will get that joke. Very funny!

It's not a complex distinction. They're desperately trying to deflect and defend the indefensible.

Anyway, I believe they're referring to the Echelon program, which was (or is) and electronic surveillance system that monitored millions of calls and emails every day. IIRC, it was coordinated with foreign intelligence agencies. They spied on our people, we spied on theirs. It was every bit as disgusting, but *legal*.

You know, even the Big Dawg realizes that they blame him for everything. In his book, he talks about Newt Gingrich extensively, and he says "I swear, Newt was trying to make me out as the catalyst that destroyed Western civilization."

President Clinton has now signed into law a funding bill which requires the NSA to report on the legal basis for ECHELON and similar activities. (16)


16. Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2000, Pub. L. 106-120, Section 309, 113 Stat. 1605, 1613 (1999). See H.R. 1555 Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2000 (Enrolled Bill (Sent to President)), (last visited Dec. 17, 1999) (http://www.echelonwatch.org/hr1555c.htm).

http://securinet.free.fr/annexe/echelon-faq.html

So its beginning to look like newsmax is LYING again.

of bush that was spied on, totally political and the reason he couldnt use the 72 hour act was because they were people that wouldnt get the ok to be spied on. waiting for that info to come out. last couple years we have heard of peace groups such as quakers, ect.... being spied on, and protestors.

Every story and I mean EVERY story I have ever seen them cite gets refuted easily. It never fails though, every time some bullshit Clinton or evil Democrat story gets started on internet boards Newsmax is always the source.

You would think that they would get tired of looking like idiots for sourcing an obviously lying news organization.

Google is a great tool.

... they phrase "Clinton did it." should be the freeper equivalent of "Hitler did it.", but somehow they have found themselves repeating this mantra over and over again. I wonder why this is? After all Bush* wasn't supposed to return honor and integrity to the White House.

Shouldn't it be impossible to compare Bush*, a magnanimous and honorable man, to that scoundrel Bill Clinton?

I knew the freepers would start saying the same thing. Are they getting it from worldnutdaily and newswax? Or is it drudge?

ECHELON
The NSA is Out-Of-Control.
NSA even refused a request of the Select Committee on Intelligence for "POLICY" information.
HR 1555 calls the NSA on the mat.


The following is an extract of Section 309 of H.R. 1555. The full bill can be found at:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c106:H.R.1555.ENR :

SEC. 309. REPORT ON LEGAL STANDARDS APPLIED FOR ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE.

(a) REPORT- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Director of Central Intelligence, the Director of the National Security Agency, and the Attorney General shall jointly prepare, and the Director of the National Security Agency shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees, a report in classified and unclassified form providing a detailed analysis of the legal standards employed by elements of the intelligence community in conducting signals intelligence activities, including electronic surveillance.

snip

http://www.actionamerica.org/echelon/echelon1555.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5636083&mesg_id=5636083

(note this has its own thread)