Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Won't someone think of the chickens? (a bird flu post)

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 02:44 PM
Original message
Won't someone think of the chickens? (a bird flu post)
I like chicken, whatever way it is prepared. Over today's lunch (stewed chicken over rice and beans, my third favorite meal), I figured that I probably eat from 1.5 to 2 chickens each week. I'm guessing that, on average, people in the U.S. probably eat at least one chicken each week (since I'm sure that few people like chicken as much as I do). So, a typical person in the U.S. would consume about 52 chickens each year. I think it's fair to say that there are about 250,000 chicken-eaters in the U.S., allowing for vegetarians, vegans, and small children who don't consume much food. That comes to a total of about 1.3 billion chickens consumed in the U.S. every year. That's a lot of chickens.

Considering the cramped conditions in which commercial chickens are grown, and the rate at which birds can become infected, I think it's obvious that if one chicken in a factory becomes ill with bird flu, the entire stock would probably be lost. If this occurs in a number of factories, the availability of chicken will drop and prices for chickens and their parts will soar. People all over the country will have to do without chicken. Such a serious disruption of the chicken supply could send the U.S. economy, which has already been weakened, into a tailspin.

So limiting the spread of bird flu really is a serious matter.

Next topic for consideration: do chickens have souls? If they do, we're going to have a lot to answer for.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 02:50 PM
Response to Original message
1. I'm pretty sure there's been some experimentation with bird-vaccines.
As in, vaccinate all the chickens, so they don't contract the flu. To me, it seems like a good application of an actual H5N1 vaccine, since a human mutation may or may not respond to that vaccine anyway.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 02:52 PM
Response to Original message
2. If chickens have souls, I'd say we *already* have a lot to answer for..
I've cheerfully eaten many, many chickens in my day. And they were contract-killings, too. I didn't even exercise the moral courage of killing them with my own hands.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 02:54 PM
Response to Original message
3. Yes, and they are sweet animals.
They call to you in the morning asking to be let out to dig in the compost pile. They follow you through the garden and will even ask for a drink of water when they are thirsty.

I had beautiful birds and all had different and unique personalities.

Unfortunately, the hawks got them one by one. Nature took its course.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 02:54 PM
Response to Original message
4. If the chicken "manufacturer" chooses to reveal
that one of his chickens has avian flu, the whole flock will be killed. If the manufacturer chooses to hide the fact, then much of his flock will die and it's possible that the flu could be passed on to a number of people in it's current form. Every time it's passed on to a human, there is a possibility that the virus will make its critical mutation to be able to easily pass from human to human.

It's likely that we will all be affected by this bird flu thing, even if it doesn't become a pandemic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Road Scholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 02:55 PM
Response to Original message
5. Kachooo! Huh??? LOL
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:00 PM
Response to Original message
6. I believe that the question is not if chicken's have souls,
but rather why humans who believe they have souls continue to behave in such a soulless manner in regards to other species. Our conduct toward other species should be based on our soul, not whether we believe other species have a soul.

We are a truly despicable species, capable of anything & willing to justify our heinous behavior.



Nothing but the ramblings of a misanthrope, here.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Excellent point.
Thank you for posting it!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:24 PM
Response to Original message
7. I raise chickens
and I can opine with some certainty that they do not have souls.

They will eat their own young, peck each other to death, the roosters routinely gang-rape the hens and fight each other to the death.

Now, I realize humans do these things also, but I don't believe in heaven or hell for us either.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon May 06th 2024, 08:58 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC