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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 07:36 PM
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Let's make this simple
This administration (and its cheerleaders) seems incapable of determining the difference between enemies of America and its own political enemies. If it comes to light that this state of perpetual confusion has resulted in an intelligence agency being used to spy on the activities of its political enemies, thus subverting the intent of the Constitution and the 4th Amendment, it is most CERTAINLY an impeachable offense...of the same caliber that brought down the Nixon administration. It's practically the same crime, but with wider-ranging particulars. Nixon hired second-rate burglars...the Bush administration is using our own taxpayer supported agencies against us.

Not that this is a surprise, but people should be screaming from the rooftops. My boss just shrugged and said--"like it's a surprise?"

It should be. We should be shocked.

But are we?

Well, not us. But how about everyone else? Where's the outrage from the public? His poll numbers are skyrocketing.

Of course, as my boss also said... "I've never been polled, nor has anyone I know. Can we honestly trust them?"

Good question.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 07:40 PM
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1. just a sidenote -- his poll numbers aren't "skyrocketing"
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 07:42 PM by emulatorloo
and this is gallup who is usually so pro bush

Your post is very powerful -- THANK YOU

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/19/bush.poll/index.html

CNN -- President Bush's approval ratings do not appear to have changed significantly, despite a number of recent speeches he's given to shore up public support for the war in Iraq and its historic elections on Thursday.

A CNN/USA Today Gallup poll conducted over the weekend found his approval rating stood at 41 percent, while more than half, or 56 percent, disapprove of how the president is handling his job. A majority, or 52 percent, say it was a mistake to send troops to Iraq, and 61 percent say they disapprove of how he is handling Iraq specifically. The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 07:43 PM
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2. His poll numbers aren't skyrocketing
(although the drop has leveled off)

A poll's margin of error means that 95% of the time, the sample will reflect numbers that are within +/-3 (or whatever) of the "true" population results. So, if you take 20 polls, 19 of them will give you accurate results. 1, even if it is done completely well, will give you funky numbers just because of the people who happened to get sampled. That WP poll is an outlier. Other polls, hell, even Gallup, have him in the low 40's.

Of course, that doesn't negate the propaganda value of the poll.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 07:43 PM
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3. kick and nominating -- Thanks for yr excellent post n/t
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 07:43 PM
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4. Are there new poll numbers out?
Last I heard he was hovering near 40% approval. That is hardly skyrocketing.

Other than that, great rant. I no longer trust any numbers from or about this administration.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 07:52 PM
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5. Some say as high as 46%...
that's one heck of a lot higher than they were.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 07:58 PM
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6. He flaunts his power
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 07:59 PM by zeemike
And that is a sure sign that he has a lock on power or his handlers would not let him do it.
Besides his core followers are so mesmerized by the propaganda they have been flooded with over the years that no matter what he does they will accept the reasons that he gives no matter how far out they are. Remember how the Germans were when the same kind of thing happened there and they were civilized people.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 08:05 PM
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7. They were new to democracy...
We're not.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:11 PM
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11. What galls me is that the German
people allowed it to happen because they were ravaged by the Great Depression and by their defeat in WWI. They were ripe for someone like Hitler to rise to power.

*'s followers, however, support him on religious grounds: they will gladly give up their own civil liberties because they think * will keep the Gays from marrying and deny a woman the right to choose. I am stunned by this phenomenon. I don't understand how a prosperous nation would allow this to happen unless in this case it's the PROSPERITY that's the problem as opposed to the hardship of the Germans. We are so concerned about carrying on our abundant and busy lives to pay attention to the lessons of history.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 09:58 PM
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8. My boss just shrugged and said--"like it's a surprise?"
Unfortunately I think that is what many Americans are thinking today. They simply except that they are a servant of the state but in exchange that state keeps them safe from the evil terrorists.

On the morning drive time radio this morning the talking heads were saying they thought it was great that Bush had ordered these wiretaps. They, or any of their listeners, have no ties to Al-Queda, so why should they be concerned.

Like Benjamin Franklin said: "Those who would trade their freedom for security, deserve neither."
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:05 PM
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9. This is why John Dean briefed Barbara Boxer
with the same suspicion in mind I believe. He said Bush admitted to an impeachable offense.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:08 PM
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10. poll numbers skyrocketing? LOL You been drinking?
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 10:08 PM by lonestarnot
or does sky have a different connotation to you?
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:06 PM
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15. From 38 to 47 percent...
That's a pretty large jump.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:07 PM
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16. linkadinkdink ... until then pushaw and wouldn't believe it any way so
don't bother with the link.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:12 PM
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17. I'm just quoting the poll numer I heard on Hardball tonight...n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:43 PM
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18. oh Hardon that splains it.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:30 PM
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12. His poll numbers are not skyrocketing.
I know it's been posted already, but it needs to be said again. ;)
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:37 PM
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13. Think about it...
The public had nothing to do with Nixon stepping down.
The public had nothing to do with Clinton's impeachment.
The public would have nothing to do with W's potential impeachment.

You get control of the congress back in 06....and then you have something.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:01 PM
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14. Bingo!
The lack of any real role for the opposition has been what has allowed this administration to engage in such naked corruption.

It occurs to me, as it has to others, that unified party government can be the greatest obstacle to the proper operation of our system of checks and balances.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 09:40 PM
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19. Yep. Bush doesn't need poll numbers. He needs an AWOL congress
of lickspittles and lackeys. Low poll numbers may cause congressmen to jump ship, but maybe not. All Bush has to do is lie his way, war his way, demogogue his way to November.
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