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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:23 AM
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War was NEVER declared!!!
Remember that when the * uses it as an excuse to have his way.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:27 AM
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1. And the "war on terror" will last for all time...it has been around
forever. If he uses the "war on terror" as the "we are at war" excuse, he can destroy the Constitution. The "war on terror" isn't a declared war either.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:12 AM
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9. just where is "terror" on the map?
the war on terror.......seems to be over used......terror has been around for eons....from caveman vs the dinosaurs....the dinos were terror for them....when does a war on terror end.....never.....there will always been......terror.........be it bombs...dinos......and for me..my terror is coming face to face with a snake.....they "terrorize me.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:15 AM
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13. It is a permanent state of the world... and we have a "war on terror"
laughable!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:16 AM
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14. Cute - but, cavemen didn't live with dinosaurs.
Just saying... ;)
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:30 AM
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2. He figures...
if he doesn't have to ask for it to be declared, if he can accomplish it another way, then he doesn't have to be stopped, justify his actions or obey any of the rules of warfare. He can call it a police action or something and therefore sneak all his shit in under the radar as people have done with wars previous. Apparently we haven't officially declared war in the prescribed way since WWII.

Bastard.

:mad:
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:05 AM
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3. I said this yesterday.
Two rightists said, "oh, that's just a technicality." This is the social base for a possible fascist state. They will support ANY measure that is in the name of "security." Fascism is the original "war-against-terror state."
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:07 AM
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4. Yep! It's a marketing phrase
plain and simple. Congress never authorized "The War on Terror", nor were they asked to.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:11 AM
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7. Actually I was thinking the Iraq War. But I have had an epiphany
is he again using the "war" in Iraq, which had nothing to do with 911, now being used to justify domestic spying?

Jeez, he's got everthing so screwed up that even I who tries to keep close watch, is tricked. His gymnastic linguistics are having an affect I believe.

WTF!
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:21 AM
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15. The "War on Terror" umbrella encompasses all of his
ambitions (and crimes) though. I was thinking a couple of weeks ago that all of us (Congress, other countries, reporters/editors, ALL of us) speak in terms of the "Iraq War" or "War in Iraq"; but Bush doesn't utter those words. He uses terms like "liberation of Iraq", "struggle", "fighting", etc.

When he says "war" it is always "war on terror".

He's perfectly happy letting the rest of us get down to specifics. Then he can refute and deny he never said <fill in the blank>.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:33 AM
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18. Great points!
This guy has got to go!

When are people going to wake up. I've been awake since 2000.

Thanks for the additional insight!
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:07 AM
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5. Unnecessary. He has inherent powers.
Article Dubya.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:08 AM
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6. Electronic Surveillance under the law during a time of war
Title 50, Chapter 36, Subchapter I of the United States Code:


§ 1811. Authorization during time of war


Release date: 2005-03-17

Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for a period not to exceed fifteen calendar days following a declaration of war by the Congress.
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justabob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:11 AM
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8. Thanks for that, good find nt
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:22 AM
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17. And even then, only for 15 days
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:14 AM
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10. It was during Vietnam that I learned that war needn't be formally declared
in order for the executive to make a hideous, bloody mess of things.

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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:21 AM
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16. true! why has history been forgotten? nt
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:14 AM
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11. I was thinking the exact same thing.
We're not "at war" until Congress declares it.

Even then, they have to declare it against a specific enemy.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:14 AM
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12. Exactly right! He doesn't have a leg to stand on! n/t
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