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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:26 AM
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Poll question: Are you "Anti-Empire"? and/or "Anti-Capitalist"?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:29 AM
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1. Regulated capitalism does a great job at providing THINGS
especially those things which are subject to fashion or changing needs.

Capitalism falls flat on its face when it comes to providing services. The more necessary and labor intensive the service, the worse a capitalist system does at providing it. Look at health care for a prime example.

Unregulated capitalism is the biggest nightmare of all.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:30 AM
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2. This is a push poll
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 11:33 AM by Selatius
You were better off writing a poll asking how much people are willing to tolerate as far as government actions abroad and at home with respect to maintaining our current way of life with our plasma screen TVs and gas-guzzling SUVs and other junk that drive people into debt.

If you got a check for $1,000,000 tomorrow, would you want to know where that money came from? Or would you rather not know? The same could apply to our way of life. Do people want to know the truth no matter how ugly it may be? Or would they rather float in ignorance because they fear the answer? Because it would cause people to possibly stop and question the morality of what they're doing, their way of life?
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:44 AM
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4. This is a poll
that is designed for exactly what it is.

Person "A" took a quote from Person "B" saying he was "Anti-Empire" & "Anti-Capitalist". Person "A" was trying to make the argument (?) that that was bad and that Person "B" (and anyone agreeing with him) was a "totalitarian socialist" - based merely on the phrase "Anti-Empire" & "Anti-Capitalist".

So I just wanted to see what DUers reaction to the quote. It's about what I expected.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:33 AM
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3. There's nothing wrong with "Capitalism"
Providing the sucker is REGULATED and TAXED as it should be. When it is not it turns into the monster that is Corporatism.

"Anti-Corporatism" is something all together differnet. Yeah, sign me on to that bandwagon...
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:36 PM
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7. Anti CORPORATISM . . . I believe . . . is the term we should use.
Capitalism in itself can do wonders, provided one class doesn't become a law unto themselves, facilitated by a government that considers itself a law all it's own.
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justabob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:40 PM
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9. yes, I agree nt
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:33 PM
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5. I'm quite keen on faces
Does that make me Facist?
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:36 PM
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6. I'm Anti-Empire, not Anti-Capitalist. I'm Against Corporate Personhood
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 12:38 PM by mcscajun
And CorporateGovernment (i.e., Facism)

Capitalism does alright for folks when it's properly reined in and the social contract is maintained. Businesses used to see the social contract as existing between themselves and their customers, themselves and their stockholders, and themselves and their employees. They understood they had responsibilites to each group, and there were benefits accruing from treating each group as a part of the whole. It was all of a piece, and strategic and tactical decisions were made taking all three of their constituencies into account. Long term thinking, not quarterly thinking, ruled business decisions. That got changed, big time, in the 80s and has been eroding slowly and steadily, gathering momentum with every year since.
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justabob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:40 PM
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8. anti capitalist is a bit extreme
I am definitely anti-empire, and definitely anti-fascist, but anti capitalist is too absolute/narrow to describe my view.
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