Kosovar Testimonial -- Clark saved the lives of 2 million...

Kosovars and 1.5 Bosnians.

I just got back from a meeting for Clark to
help arrange grassroots activity in the state.
We had many fascinating speakers. Of those, one
of my favorites was a Kosovar who peronally attributes
Clark and Clark's leadership to saving 1.5 million
lives in Bosnia and 2 million lives in Kosovo. His
opinion is not isolated, many from his folk feel the
same. Clark even has a city street named after him
in Kosovo.

Another speaker explained this evening that Clark wanted
to bring in Blackhawks to stop "rape and murder"
genocide parties from raiding and killing people
in the middle of the night. This was much to the
political inconvenience and dismay of his superiors
and the sitting President, still smarting from Mogadishu.
It was these sorts of efforts that have garnered harsh criticism
from that bastard Shelton which are being echoed
in the biased corporate media. I find such criticism
wrong-headed and unfair.

With the very possibility that Clark's leadership,
diplomacy, military strategism, and politicking
were all responsible for saving millions of lives, how
can so many on DU ever accuse him of being a war
criminal or a shill for PNAC/malevolent forces?

I find it a disgrace to the Democratic Party that
people here twist the facts just to bolster their canidate's
ends by smearing Clark to raise fear, uncertainty,
and doubt but not discourse or enlightenment.

It may not be yet apparent that Clark can secure the
Democratic nomination, but I think we should
be seriously cautious in char-broiling his character
when scores of thousands of Kosovars consider him
personally responsible for saving them and their families
from butchery and slaughter.

No one is above reproach, to be certain...but can we
get off of character assassination? Fragging each
other's candidates will ultimately make us all look bad.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=560030&mesg_id=560710&page=

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=560030&mesg_id=560030

I find it odd that someone would be so committed to bringing down Wesley Clark that they would trivialize what happened in Kosovo.

quotation marks, denying that anything of the sort occured or was stopped in the Balkans. I'll refrain from identifying the individual.

I almost vomited at that horrible act. Truly despicable.

so I am sure he wouldn't put genocide, murder,
and atrocities in quotations.

What I wonder is why all of Europe hailed Clark
giving him 19 honorary Knighthoods or major
distinguishing awards but a few DU'ers think
they know better by quoting the Chi Sun-times (home
of Novak) or Counterpunch (a leftist rag)? It seems
to fly in the face of logic and reality. They just
can't seem to wrap their minds around the fact that
Clark actually is a moral human being fighting on the
side of good. What's wrong with them?

who will argue the US never set foot on the moon. There are people here who will argue any case any way, and find something, somewhere that will bolster their claims.

The only question is whether or not we can beat George Bush in 2004.

This is an important question because if we do not, the odds are all those people who fear this republic will not survive may well be proven correct.

If you think this administration has gone wild with a mandate that consists of one vote on the Supreme Court, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Do you have a candidate who is likely to have a better chance at beating Bush?

Please don't give me the "there'll be no difference argument." We tried that one on for size in 2000 and look what happened.

on this board lately bashing Clark, IMO. The rightwing is terrified of General Clark, and for very good reason.

and it was an ILLEGAL invasion of a soverign nation that set the stage for iraq.

besides he was only following orders as far as the big picture goes politically.

:hi:

peace

utterly wrong. it ended a genocide. it's not "an opposing view"--it's a rotten lie that is a slap in the face of the suffering of millions.

how can people so glibly repeat this tripe?

well i still haven't seen any mass graves but i have seen hard stats on what are bombs had on the country not to metion the connections to terrorist and the KLA.

if you got any evidence i would certainly look :hi:

peace

like Human Rights Watch.

http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/kosovo98/index.shtml

There are cynical people that could say they are trying to raise funds, but I don't think they would make up lies to raise money. They have to establish a reputation for truthfulness or they can't function.

Another group that was there at the time was Doctors Without Borders, internationally called Medecins Sans Frontieres.

http://www.msf.org/countries/index.cfm?indexid=22D121A0-BEC7-11D4-852200902789187E

On edit: Also note that Human Rights Watch also criticizes the Pentagon. They believe their mission is to document violations from all countries, including ours.

(Washington, February 7, 2000)—About five hundred civilians died in ninety separate incidents as a result of NATO bombing in Yugoslavia last year, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today.

The Human Rights Watch estimate of the number of incidents is far higher than what the U.S. Defense Department and other NATO governments have admitted. But the Human Rights Watch figures for civilian deaths is much lower than what the Yugoslav government has claimed.

"Once it made the decision to attack Yugoslavia, NATO should have done more to protect civilians," said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch, an international monitoring organization based in New York. "All too often, NATO targeting subjected the civilian population to unacceptable risks." Roth urged NATO governments to make a serious evaluation of the war's effects on civilians.

more...
http://www.hrw.org/press/2000/02/nato207.htm

i still don't see any mass graves from there... direct links would be appreciated.

thanks

peace

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/kosovo3/#_1_3.

"The events in Cuška are far from unique: hundreds, if not thousands, of ethnic Albanians were killed by Serbian special forces and paramilitaries throughout Kosovo between March and June--many of them in a similar manner."

They have documented killings, rapes and people being forced to flee. However, if you want to cherry-pick information that only shows the Pentagon and NATO in a bad light that is your choice.

So now he "saved" 2 million people, eh? Why not 7 million, as long as we're just throwing around numbers?

Don't you suppose, if this were true, that it might just have been noticed 4 years ago? Do you think that the US media & US government, with their traditional world-renowned modesty, would have missed the chance to make sure everyone in the universe knew that the US of A had once again come to the rescue of millions of people?

In fact, it's easy to imagine that the liars in our government might even have MADE UP a cock & bull story like this, if they thought they could possibly get away with it. The fact that they didn't tells you that even for them, this was regarded as ludicrous.

or any other serious works about genocide over the last twenty years? or do you normally brush aside genocide as a light and politically subsidiary matter?

to justify a political agenda that has nothing to do with saving anyone from genocide.

we'd see some of the same arguments that we see about Yugoslavia.

I just would like to complete a circle: Spot the bonds of friendship: GHWB, RR and Rumsfeld were all friends with SH. SH was friends with Milosevic. Milosevic was friends with Tory cabinet ministers from John Majors' gov't. Those Tories were friends with the Bush and Reagan crowd. All of them have committed crimes against humanity and war crimes. I'm not saying that this is proof of genocide. I'm just saying, take a look at this crowd and ask yourself, which side are you on?

but these are not my words. They are the
words of a man who attributes Clark with
saving loved one's lives.

Your choice of verbage "bullshit" is very condascending.
This man was sincere from the bottom of his heart
and it was a very touching moment we all shared tonight.

Richm, you obviously have an axe to grind against Clark and
it borders on the edge of being fanatical. Who's your candidate
in this race and what is their detailed position on the
Bosnian and Kosovo issues? What would he/she have done different?
What will he/she do better than Clark when it comes to
Foreign Policy in the future? Seeing as how you came to my
thread to trash my candidate, I challenge you to bring up
something other than venom and being a denier of what is
patently true to millions of Europeans. If you don't answer
the challenge, then slink back to where you came from.

but if you take the time to remember about the only thing that ever hit the newspapers back then was Clinton's penis problems. That was the news. Saving lives didn't make the cut. And certainly the Repugs wouldn't be inclined to give the Clinton Administration any credit for saving lives.

MzPip
:dem:

impeachment. After that, the famous penis was off the front pages - in the anticlimatic stage, as it were.

Furthermore, if any US media had gotten the slightest whiff of the idea that the US-led forces had really rescued millions of Kosovars, they could have found a way to proudly present it to the world, without necessarily glorifying Clinton. They could have showcased it making the US Armed Forces, or NATO, or Clark himself the "star."

is going to hail any war when Clinton was CIC?

beginning the PNAC'ers were pissed that Clinton was going to go in there and end a destabilizing conflict which was intended to cause chaos in europe, and reap millions in profits for RW arms dealers and untility privatizers.

I wouldn't be surprised if Colin Powell was rewarded a position in Bush's cabinets in recognition of his efforts to keep the US out of there.

I think you have still failed to explain
what your candidate has done or will do better
than Clark on Bosnia or any other matter.

If you won't answer that, then I think you have
taken a cowardly path.

and we will all live together in this wonderful utopia. It will be called the New American Utopia.

God, you're clever.

Smoke some weed, hold hands, and show the love.

I was watching what calls itself news in this country, and so my mind started wandering to the various anti-military posts made here. My inclination is to want that kind of a world; no military. I mean other than the demented, who wouldn't? But it's not that simply.

The waste, fraud and abuse is simple. The fucked up US policies are simple. But how to reach for the highest level of problem solving without war; that is not simple.

One of the reasons I like Clark is his emphasis on strengthening and expanding of international diplomatic bodies. It is there in every speech, every article; even the ones he begins with compliments to the reps and gets bashed for. BTW, when you look at his writing, that it his style: start out smiling and then tell you what Really needs to be done. Oh well...

...a flower in his Uzi?

The best line in Spiderman: With great power, comes great responsibiltiy.

I'm not voting for Clark in the primary, but I respect him for understanding the nature of America's responsibility as a great power.

Incidentally, France should be ashamed of what they did to Rwanda. But so should the US. It was total abrogation of responsibility. If you were religious, you'd have to think of it as a sin. Millions of people are dead, or live on with no hands or feet, or family because the US stood by.

Have you people seen the crowds that form when Clinton goes to Kosovo? Why do you think those people are alive?

And Milosevic had stated that he would "kill them all."

Beside the rightwing pnacers wanted the Balkans in an uproar; it suited their purposes. What is it bush said to Bob Woodward? Something about: if you have chaos then you can fill the vacuum with whatever you want.

The BIG DOG was there till the end.....

In that part of the world. They said it was getting worse.

I had no reason to disbelieve them. They were just trying to stop the bleeding...

Thanks.

Too much!

How does one respond to such.........uh........er..... BULLSHIT?



2 million people, eh?

you are being downright mean if you don't mind me saying so.

These are not my words, they are the words of our guest.
Choose not to believe them if you must.

Do you know how many Rwandans died?
Do you know how many died at the hands of Pol Pot?
Do you know how many were murdered by Hitler?
Do you know how many Stalin killed?

2 million people seems like a fair number considering
what happens when genocide goes outrightly unchecked.

Can you argue that with your silly little laughing icons?

Do you believe in anything worth fighting for?

about calling something what it is?

A crock is a crock.

Yes, I do believe in fighting for what I believe in. Fighting for the Democratic Party is one of them. I want the president in 2005 to be a DEMOCRAT!

giving money to a campaign is not fighting...

And you still didn't address the questions about
Rwanda, Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin...

You still didn't discredit that Clark's leadership
is probably more responsible for saving more lives than
the rest of the other 8 candidates put together.

in my county and in my state. I personally know the Secretary of Oregon and a Representative in our state government. I have co-sponored and organized events for both of them. In addition, I maintain an email correspondence w/my Senator, Ron Wyden and meet w/him when he comes for Townhall meetings in my town. The communication w/my Representative, Pete DeFazio :loveya: , is stronger and his hub office is a half block from where I live. (Very convenient.)

Furthermore, I am director for two local activist organizations that sponsor forums to educate the citizens of my county regarding commerce, planning and voting.

Now I realize that's not much, but I'm trying.

As far as clark is concerned, I credit him for thousands of lives he took, or ordered to take in a farce of a "humanitarian" war.

Clark is a proud Democrat AND a proud LIBERAL in the REAL sense of the word. Not just the "only us left of the left lefties are real liberals" sense of the word. Look it up.

a "proud Democrat", then why did he wait until weeks after his presidential run announcement to register Democrat?

What does a proud Liberal mean to you? Seriously, I would like to know what you consider liberal.

Btw, how to I look up "only us left of the left lefties are real liberals"?

If you cannot give a definition, then how do you know clark is one?

The little green "KillingMe" laughing-till-tears thing... It cracks me up every time I look at it!

Hope you don't mind if I borrow it -

It expresses how I feel many times on this board.

I think that is important to remember although I've never seen it mentioned in any discussion here. We never had air superiority during the entire 82 days of the war in Kosova. The Serbs dug into the hills making it to risky to bomb their positions because of the civilian villages. Clark wanted to use the Apaches (not Blackhawks) which could have taken out the air defenses. Shelton and Cohen asserted that the Apaches were unproven and too heavy for the job, thus, frustrating Clark who had built that division and knew the capabilites of the Apaches.

If the air defenses could have been negated, the planes could have come down to lower altitudes and saved many lives.

Once Clark was retired neither Gen. WWIII Jackson nor Ralston effectively disarmed the KLA, part of the agreement they signed at the end of the war, which brings us to today.

BTW, I'm so sorry the thread predicting tomorrow's attacks was locked. Cracked me up!

how many dog fights did we win :shrug:

peace

They stayed at 30-50,000 ft (I'm not sure about that--but the number sticks in my head.)

We lost at least one stealth fighter and had a pilot in the woods for about 10 days.

I stand corrected! One. Was it shot down?

http://www.airartnw.com/turkeyshoot.htm

peace

The risk assessments were made and the JC sent them back. Clinton and the JC wanted no American casualties. Zip. Another risk assessment recommended kept the planes well away from any Serb turkey shooters.

just poiting out that we had overwhelming air superiority to the point that we won a war for the first time in history without using ground forces - the first time anyone has done that in fact.

not only were we superior but we DOMINATED just like we did in the marianas, on june 19, 1944, another place were we didn't - actually - have air superiority.

:hi:

peace

...we could have saved way more lives.

This is part of the shameful political reality within which Clark had to work. I don't know all the facts, but on the face of it, it's amazing that he was able to win a fictory, considering he was getting resistance from the RW cabal within the Pentagon - the PNACers trying to preverse chaos for the next Republican presidnet -- and resistance from the left in the form of a president who didn't want to suffer the political consequences in the event that any American life was lost.

why blame it on the people?

we cost many more lives and disruption than before the war, where are the mass graves? sounds like the cure was worse than the disease, no?

that was our first step away from the un * is just carrying on the tradition, as inept as it may be.

:hi:

peace

Because I already knew this guy's story, I posted the link first, and read the web site second. After reading it, I've added to my post.

Have you read through it B.Pilgrim?

Originally, I wrote:

I think there's a very good reason why he was the only person willing to go there. I think the editors at the NYT and the Post were telling their reporters not to bother. Do you think Bob Woodward wanted his readers to know the truth if it was going to help Clinton?

That's the kind of guy this reporter is. He wasn't working for one of those papers. He's honest. He has ethics. And he wanted to know the truth. Even if it was going to help Clinton.

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/journalism/nelson/rohde/photo.html

And I added this:

I read through this website (the links to each section are on the top of the page). After reading it, I should probably take back what I said about the Times and Post. After Rhode broker the first story, those papers did look for mass graves.

I should also add, "there are your mass graves B.Pilgrim. Now what do you say for yourself?"

AP_have you read his book? He was on the ground in '98 and gives many first hand accounts.

got any pictures of remains in mass graves?


two handkerchiefs and a comb don't count

peace

The chief of a war crimes investigation team, William
Haglund, showed the press a mass grave of at least 12
corpses in July 1996 at a site in Nova Kasaba. Photo: AP

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/journalism/nelson/rohde/graves.html

Did you even read through this?

Do you want me to quote from it next?

i haven't seen one photo of a mass grave with massive amounts of bodies. i say the evidence was weak before the war and proven to be false after the war.

i am begining to detect a pattern with our foreign policy and war and i fear it is for the worse.

i want to prevent mass graves not create them so i think we are on the same side :hi:

peace

(on edit: btw: quoting is customary)

You're saying the Serbs didn't kill enough people? What country puts ANYBODY in a mass grave today?

Don't you think it's a sign of progress that we make a stand at the 3,000 to 30,000 range, rather that the 6 million to 8 million range? Thank god Milovecic didn't have the time and money, and the backs of the international community turned on him so that he could kill even more people.

There was a point, you know, when Hitler had only killed 3,000 Jews. And there was a point at which he only had killed 30,000. At that point, who would have guessed that he was only 1/200th the way to his total, which wasn't that far from killing every Jew in Germany and the countries he occupied. 30,000 seems pretty bad nonetheless.

However, I guess we're making progress if you're not denying the mass graves any longer and if you're only complaint is that they don't have enough mass to them.

And mass graves is only part of the problem with Milosevic. He was engaged in a war. We were right to step in.

I don't think you've responded to the question whether you thought we did the right thing in Rwanda?

that these people who are finding these bodies, even if they've only pulled 12 complete bodies out so far, you have to ask yourself, were the serbs plowing fields and turning over these huge patches of soil (100 ft by 50 ft, did it say for one of these?) just to bury 12 bodies?

Were they trying to look like badasses, when they weren't? Did they want their bosses to think they were killing more people, when in fact they were they killing time smoking cigarettes and having consentual sex with Muslim 12 year olds when they should have been killing people?

Why were they plowing such large fields? Do you think 12 is all that was in there? Or do you think maybe there were lots more?

"as long as we're comparing penis size"

i am asking for PROOF like BODIES in MASS GRAVES that many have claimed but there is none.

where are the ORDERS you can't pull this off without a plan but i don't even see an official 'program' to kill all the muslims as many have claimed.

knowing what i know of our history and the lack of proof and that we didn't have un authority - again - to go in there and the result of our intervention it only made more suffering and destruction i am not convinced the 'war' was justified.

peace

of which is 100 by 50 feet (from memory), and they're pulling bodies and other evidence from each, and it is possible that the lessons learned from teh Nazis is to poor chemicals on remains to make them dissolve. Why do you think they were ploughing such big fields just to bury 12 bodies?

Didn't you think the CJR site was convincing -- admitting that it's hard to gather evidence, especially from survivors who are driven to such extreme hatred, yet carefully setting out the evidence?

Also, why don't you stop being a coward and just email the CJR with your doubts and tell us waht the says

no pictures

no nothing

just like wmd

peace

from a variety of reputable sources that confirm
mass graves and evidence of murder against both
the Kosovars and Bosnians.

_____________

Pilgrim, there are people who deny the holocaust
of 6 million Jews ever happened as well. Think.

i find it a bit strange that no one has any proof call me what you will but i am the type who needs proof ESPECIALLY considering my countries past.

:hi:

peace

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&client=REAL-tb&q=bosnia+mass+graves+picture

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&client=REAL-tb&q=kosovo+mass+graves

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&client=REAL-tb&q=kosovo+mass+war+crimes

Within these links, folks can begin to see that Pilgrim
is minimizing what happened in an irresponsible way. Essentially
acting as an apologist for Serbian War Crimes. I am not
sure why.

If you wish, I can copy and past individual links to DU.

Either there was massacre, rape, murder, and mass killings
in Bosnia and Kosovo or a lot of international legal and
press institutions are participating in a big hoax.

Really I think the burden of prood is on Pilgrim et. al. to
prove that is really didn't happen. I would like to see their
proof on this. Pictures of masses of dead Jews who were
brutally slain by Nazi war criminals is not such proof.
It only goes to show what happens when good people stand by
and do nothing. So far, the deniers have proven nothing and
shown nothing.

The US said it happened, therefore to some folks, it did NOT happen. That's all the proof they need. Just put them on 'ignore'. You will lose exactly zero in useful discussion but will lose some aggravation.

if they ask for proof.

peace

Is IGNORED when it is supplied? You mean like that?
:+

of a mass grave. you mean like that?

peace

please don't waste all of our time... DIRECT LINKS would be appreciated and checked.

and please don't start slandering me because i simply ask for proof.

peace

peace

before you would be satisfied?

By the way, your photo, presented as "the only evidence"
is grotesque and misleading.

i am just asking for PROOF.

btw: the photo i posted was one of MANY and an actual mass grave. yet i haven't seen any proof of the claims we made against the sebs AND it looks like we made the situation WORSE now better which is my point.

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You really ought to leave this go, old friend.

You are dead wrong about it, and it would grieve me deeply to have to revist our own past quarrel concerning it.

There is no doubt whatever Butcher Slobo meant the murderous expulsion of Albanians from Kossovo, and was embarked upon the project when halted by U.S. military power. It is undeniable that was a good thing.

There is no good whatever to be gained by attempting to minimize the crimes of Butcher Slobo, or otherwise to defend that murderous wretch.

Remember, by the way, he was a protege, in his rise to power, of Lawrence Eagleburger, and Henry Kissinger, who found him apt and profitable as a corrupt financial official in his earliest incarnation.

has a feedback page. Why don't you let them know your theories and then let us know how they respond?

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Republicans in the Pentagon and the brass who wanted to keep the focus and resources in their chosen "main theatres of war" namely ***IRAQ*** and Korea.

These republican assholes have been gunning for Iraq for a long, long time and they will do ANYTHING to obfuscate their reasons. ESPECIALLY tear down the guy who has seen the blueprints.

Clinton was a great prez, but he got taken for a ride in the country on this one.


















Q

You say it isn't a big deal so big shot tell me, name one other nation that has been able to shoot down the most advanced bomber ever built?

You think one guy with a sling shot did it maybe?

2,000,000

I know I have made a point.

Grow up.

irony of my statement. It was not an attack, and I believe it is a point worth considering. The republicans are saying the very same thing about the war in Iraq, namely, that shrub saved the people of Iraq from a genocidal dictator.

Of course, it is possible that you believe that the war in Iraq was justifiable for this reason.

Do you?

(Nice personal attack, by the way)

After the all out assault on Clark by the Deanies on this board this week with thread after thread of lies and distorted facts to fit their tiny little argument it's good to hear a grain or two of TRUTH about Wes.

I remember reading reports of the atrocities agains the Muslims for months and months before we did anything about it. It was impossible to let that situation continue. "Ethnic cleansing" is not just an internal dispute and it's not something we should ever stand by and permit if we can help it. I'd never heard of Clark at the time and didn't want to see us involved in war, but how could we not?

all anyone with a lick of sense and objectivity has to do is investigate it for themselves.

yes, there is NO doubt that civilians died, were killed, and maybe in the eyes of some, murdered by the american and NATO forces, but what they stopped and prevented from expanding was the worst wholesale killing in europe since the nazis.

it is true that the white world did nothing in rwanda and burundi durng the genocide there, and it might well be because the men women and children were black, but rwanda and burundi were far away from the economic center of power while the disintergration of yugoslavia was a direct threat to peace and stability in the south-eastern part of europe and the economic consequences, for refugee dislocation, violence and the potential for the violence to spread thru out the region was the mitigating circumstance that forced the US in, especially when the europeans were not willing to do anything unless the americans came in in strength.

choices were made, first, to engage in combating mass dislocations of populations and verified cases of mass murder in an area of direct concern to the combative parties.

that the US and UN should have gone into rwanda and burundi is a given and it is to our collective shame that the west stood by and did nothing.

but that is not the issue. the issue is whether NATO had the obligation to secure its borders and intervene in known government directed mass murders right next door. those who complain about the NATO intervention in bosnia would most likey say that if such possibly could have been done in the early 1970's in cambodia such intervention and killing of several hundreds of civilians would have been worth the cost of saving 5 million cambodians.

this is a matter of moral degrees, of saving many and a comparative few dying. distasteful? for sure, for anyone with a smidgeon of morality, but there it is, there is the world before us, and this is the way of the world that some die so others can live. i dont like, i work against having to make that choice, but that choice often comes to us regardless.

there is still proceding the trials for bosnian war crimes at the hague, and the details of what the CHRISTIAN serbs did the MUSLIM bosnians and kosovoins is available for perusal if anyone really cares to understand what has been found and is currently being used as evidence against milosovic and his fellow murderes, try starting here.

Human Rights Archives on the Genocide in Bosnia
(and attempted genocide in Kosovo)

http://www.haverford.edu/relg/sells/reports.html#TownsAndCities

Clark is an incredibly inspiring and charismatic leader. I just can't say enough to describe my admiration for this true American hero. What a wonderful world it would be if General Wesley Clark were elected President of the United States of America (our first since Bill Clinton)! Imagining the Star Spangled Banner playing during his presidential inauguration puts me on a fast track to heaven!
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