'A WH contradiction (2004 speech where Bush said need court order) just

now on msnbc news.

of the speech. There were a few posts on DU about this yesterday and today.

gave a news clip about it.

This cuberat greatly appreciates it! :D :thumbsup:

Normally, the Government needs a court order to get a wiretap.

With the Patriot Act, the rules of this are changed when getting taps for calls WITHIN, repeat, WITHIN the USA.
With the NSA Spying, the rules of this are SUSPENDED UTTERLY when getting taps for calls that go INTO or OUT OF the USA to a FOREIGN country.

That is the difference. I am not saying that the NSA thing is legal, I am just spelling out the freaking difference, because people are still quoting that old quote from Bush about roving wiretaps and the Patriot Act, and they are looking like fools to the Neocons.

Patriot Act Wiretapping != NSA Wiretapping.

Stop associating the two. If you want to bitch about the PA, do so clearly. Its like associating 9/11 and Iraq!!!

:D (<---- note smily face which indicates I still love you all)

Not true at all.

Read the law. Would you like some cites?

If viewers take away the notion that Bush once said he needed warrants for wiretaps, but has now flip-flopped - who really cares about the technicalities? It's all politics.