Will we find out *who* Bush wiretapped? Unrelated to terrorist activities?

I think it will eventually come out that Bush ordered wiretaps on people who were wholly unrelated to anything concerning terrorism.

It will be political enemies primarily.

Otherwise, why avoid all usual routes of authority to get the wiretaps?

you can only guess who.

say no, nobody to stand in his way, no checks or balances to his power.

If it's anything like the mass of people detained 'for security reasons' during the republican congress in NYC.
Recently in the UK the british 'Terrorism Act' was used against a woman publically reading out the names of the fallen in Iraq, whilst standing next to a war memorial.

they should have their photos and their bios slathered across the media. People need to see that these are average, hard-working Americans. People with families who have beliefs about improving America. People who believe in a safe planet. People who believe in a fair wage and basic benefits. And all of us Americans who believe that war should be reserved for the absolute last resort.
All those good people who say they vote for Bush "because he's a good Christian" need to see what their good Christian has been up to. They need to see a picture of Joe Average and his wife and two kids. Scary Joe. Who's just a guy who believes there shouldn't be drilling in Alaska. And is now an enemy of the state.
I hope that finally...finally...wakes up a few people.
Let's remind these good people of America's Bill of Rights.

Be patient, list of all the names will come out!

Don't you think so?

in the first place.

,...egregious stuff 'cause, well, they have before.

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I'd love to see that list, though. I just know they were abusing their power, again, in a particularly ugly and illegal way.

Right now Bush's 'supporters' are saying that it's worth if it's related to stopping terrorism.

Of course, I don't believe that at all, and I don't believe the wiretaps were related to terrorism. Otherwise, Bush could've used the normal channels of getting the wiretaps authorized.


It would be great to have WHO was secretly wiretapped.

Ask them to find out if you are on the list.

and every reporter right and left.

Worrying about "who" he wiretapped is distracting from the real issue that he Broke.... The.... Law.

He took an oath to Uphold the Constitution of the United States of America.
He broke that oath.
He publicly admitted to breaking that oath.
He announced to the world that he is going to continue to violate that oath.

I don't care if every single one of the wiretaps was to Osama Bin Laden and his gay lovers, they were still ILLEGAL.

Pop quiz: What would they be saying if Clinton had done this? Do you think they'd give a royal rat's ass about who he was listening in on as the organized the lynch mob on the White House lawn? Impeachment proceedings would be underway before they were done with breakfast the first day the news came out.

like Joe Wilson (because of the Fitzgerald investigation), or a sympathetic figure like Cindy Sheehen, or any member of Congress, including the presidential candidates (especially during the election.

Remember, impeachments don't have to just be about points of law, there has to be a trigger that registers, someone so far outside of the search for terrorists that they profess to be engaged in.

You don't stop an investigation just because you find out the law was broken.

You find out who, what, when and where.

an incriminating list of names? Criminal enterprises never allow material like that to exist.

an obstacle to their 'war on terror', a threat. I'm certain that as they considered domestic targets fair game, they had no problem distributing the info they got throughout their network. There has to be some lower level, career employee who is fed up enough with how these crooks operate to expose them.

horrible nightmare. However, it isn't easy to "get the goods" on experience criminal enterprises. That make a science out of covering their tracks.

internally easy so that investigation was not delayed.
The only reason Bush ordered illegal eavesdropping was to avoid scrutiny which would reveal who the person or persons being surveyed. There is no other reason for avoiding a court order, certainly not expediency. IMHO, Bush's political enemies were being illegally spied upon. Just like Nixon, birds of a feather. IMPEACH!:nuke:

he was wiretapping.

You don't stop an investigation by just saying "He broke the law. Period."

Let's say a guy murdered someone. That's against the law. But we also FIND OUT WHO. We find out WHY and WHEN.

You find out ALL the facts.

Because sometimes it can make a BAD situation even worse (which is what I think will happen here).

Obviously he broke the law and that's the first front of this attack but as long as he insists it was terrorists only he will still maintain some support on this. Step two is exposing who he tapped to show how he abused the law and I don't think anyone here is out on a limb when they bring up the fact that they think political enemies were targeted. When this happened didn't Keith Olbermann out a list in which they tapped peace activist quakers?

Step one is what we can impeach him on, step two is what creates the outrage for the entire country to move forward on this together.

Rp

Special counsel or no special counsel, only Congress can take out the President.

from Dean, in case anybody want to sign to be part of the FOIA request regarding who was being spyed on.

http://www.democrats.org/page/petition/domesticspying

I added this here, not sure if it's already been posted.

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This can only be described as scandalous - Military families with relatives serving on active duty in Iraq have been snooped on.

DU entry can be read here please k&r if you feel it deserves it

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