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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:19 PM
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Hokay. Am I missing a step here? (re: Malloy)
Called the main 866 number and got nothing but busy. Got a back door number, but that has been ringing for about five minutes straight with no answer. It finally just hung up on itself after about 300 rings.

I think I'm boned on this. BUT, if I were to get on, I'd read this:

H.RES.635 : Creating a select committee to investigate the Administration's intent to go to war before congressional authorization, manipulation of pre-war intelligence, encouraging and countenancing torture, retaliating against critics, and to make recommendations regarding grounds for possible impeachment.

...and this...

There is a prima facie case that these actions by the President, Vice-President and other members of the Bush Administration violated a number of federal laws, including (1) Committing a Fraud against the United States; (2) Making False Statements to Congress; (3) The War Powers Resolution; (4) Misuse of Government Funds; (5) federal laws and international treaties prohibiting torture and cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment; (6) federal laws concerning retaliating against witnesses and other individuals; and (7) federal laws and regulations concerning leaking and other misuse of intelligence.

While these charges clearly rise to the level of impeachable misconduct, because the Bush Administration and the Republican-controlled Congress have blocked the ability of Members to obtain information directly from the Administration concerning these matters, more investigatory authority is needed before recommendations can be made regarding specific Articles of Impeachment. As a result, we recommend that Congress establish a select committee with subpoena authority to investigate the misconduct of the Bush Administration with regard to the Iraq war detailed in this Report and report to the Committee on the Judiciary on possible impeachable offenses.

...and this...

Pragmatism is good, but hardly the point in this matter. We have gone far beyond consideration of the odds, of the smartest and safest course. This is not about Clintonian lies about sex, nor is it even about Nixonian spying on political appointees. In the simplest terms, we now have a self-appointed dictator occupying the highest office of the land. Of course, the catch-all excuse for these reprehensible actions is that Bush is protecting our freedoms against the terrorists. But if our freedoms are destroyed, what is left to protect? If the rule of law no longer has meaning, why bother? If that which makes this nation good and great is burned out from within, there is nothing left to defend.

Calls for the impeachment of George W. Bush must be heeded, and the House must act. This must happen not because it is pragmatic, not because it stands a chance of succeeding. This must happen because the issues at hand demand it. If we as a nation do not impeach a sitting President for such a vast array of blatantly illegal activities, activities directed at the American people themselves, then as a nation of laws we have lost our way. We have no meaning. We are finished, and the ideals for which so many have served and fought and died are ashes.

I am about out of time, unfortunately.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:20 PM
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1. damn your a fast typer
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 05:20 PM by LSK
:D :o
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:20 PM
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2. Copy and paste, yo.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:22 PM
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3. duh, should have known
I still say your a fast typer. :hi:
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blue2helix Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:23 PM
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4. Your Point Was Understood
I think your 15 minutes was up for his show, but I and other listeners certainly understand your correction. His wife did a good job of pointing it out.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:23 PM
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5. Will, if that back number is for Randi, it would go to NY and he's in GA
(I think). Dayum. I was effin looking forward to hearing you.
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Lyle Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:23 PM
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6. Will - you are my hero. n/t
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:24 PM
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7. This makes me sad because he was never really elected. If only the Dems
would have fought this battle when they should have. It all goes back to the elections. :(
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:29 PM
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9. Vapor ballots make a fight over election results futile.
Thus the "beauty" of it all.

:( is right. What we have to do now though, is fight for election reform.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:28 PM
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8. I f'ing quit.
Finally got through the 866 number. It rang 300 times and hung up on me.

Pretty fucking awesome to have a talk show you can't get through to talk on, especially when you get mentioned by name.

Sorry folks.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:31 PM
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11. Damn. Thanks for trying, Will. That effin' sucks.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:40 PM
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18. Shoot
I really wanted to hear you. :(
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:30 PM
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10. H.Res. 636 and H. Res. 637 are the censure resolutions
Not to be confused with H.Res. 635 re impeachment investigation

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/5768
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:34 PM
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12. BenBurch posted that Kathy emailed him and they don't have a back line
anymore because they changed the phone system. She has no control over the rollover lines. That is posted on YOUR thread. :hi:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:35 PM
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13. did you email him?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:36 PM
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14. Twice
Included my home phone number.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:37 PM
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15. Maybe she'll call you?
Thanks for trying. That would have been a great call!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:38 PM
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17. I'm hoping
I have to go out soon, tho.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:40 PM
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19. me too. kickety kick
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:37 PM
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16. i guess he thinks its more fun to hang up on freeps
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:42 PM
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20. If Kathy sees Will's email, she'll call him!
She will. They LOVE Will. :) Mike just said so. :P
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:43 PM
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22. She saw it
I got a nice reply. No phone call yet, tho. :( Maybe they can't call out.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:43 PM
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23. OK so Will needs to email a number and they'll call?
Hoorah!
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:43 PM
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21. Will, wasn't it you that posted yesterday that
no matter what we did Bush was going to finish out his term and there was no way in hell he would be impeached? You having a better day today? A little more hope? I love you man, but you seem to be a little schizophrenic on this...
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:44 PM
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24. This is my opinion
Many political pragmatists will tell you that impeachment is a pipe dream. If the God of the Righteous roared down from Heaven and denounced George W. Bush from the top of the Capitol dome, Republicans in Congress would denounce Him as a traitor, paint Him as standing against the troops, and accuse Him of aiding in the War on Christmas. In other words, the odds that enough Republican members of the House would turn against this administration and support impeachment are about as good as the odds of my cat winning next year's Kentucky Derby.

Even if the odds are defied and impeachment hearings are successfully undertaken, one must go many steps down the ladder to find an official worthy of the office. Impeach Bush and you get Cheney. Impeach Cheney and you get Dennis Hastert. Impeach Hastert and you get Ted Stevens, the 82-year-old Senator from Alaska who recently threatened to resign from the Senate if funding for his "Bridge to Nowhere" was stripped and delivered to aid in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Pragmatism is good, but hardly the point in this matter. We have gone far beyond consideration of the odds, of the smartest and safest course. This is not about Clintonian lies about sex, nor is it even about Nixonian spying on political appointees. In the simplest terms, we now have a self-appointed dictator occupying the highest office of the land. Of course, the catch-all excuse for these reprehensible actions is that Bush is protecting our freedoms against the terrorists. But if our freedoms are destroyed, what is left to protect? If the rule of law no longer has meaning, why bother? If that which makes this nation good and great is burned out from within, there is nothing left to defend.

...not schizophrenic at all. Impeachment must be called for, not because it could succeed (it won't), but because that's what the aw was intended for when it was laid down.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:46 PM
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25. and what if theres some really nice Fitzmas presents next year
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 05:48 PM by LSK
Are you taking that into account?

Or a Congressional win in 2006?
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:52 PM
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26. I see so the "can't impeach" post was written with the head
and this one was written with the heart.. Well lets hope that the heart wins on this one. ;)
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:21 PM
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31. Will's cat's gonna win the Triple Crown next year if we have to
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 10:23 PM by TorchesAndPitchforks
stick a rocket up its ass! We have to accept the possiblity that absolutely anything can happen. Think outside the {litter) box! Get Bush and Cheney out and Congress will be forced to call for a special Presidential election during the midterms.

We must rally all the forces we can to our side in defense of liberty. They will fight back with a vengeance and thereby expose their dark undersides. They will make themselves more vulnerable and hasten their own demise.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:11 PM
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27. Mike just explained it, Will. They cannot call you...they can't call out.
:( damn.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:16 PM
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29. crap for crap.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:14 PM
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28. Call someone that calls Malloy that gets thru all the time and use a 3-way
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:22 PM
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30. I think Will left.
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