C-SPAN2 LIVE THREAD #2 -- Cloture Vote on Defense Bill with ANWR

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Blocked! :woohoo:

it is really 57-43, they are getting closer on this vote...

it's still 56-44

I am not sure what I heard.

Only the PREVAILING side can make the motion to reconsider.

Senate Rules set a time limit on when the next cloture motion can be made at the soonest. A motion to reconsider, however, wouldn't be subject to that time limit since it's on the original cloture motion. Therefore, such a motion to reconsider (technically) would permit another cloture vote sooner than the Senate Rules would permit.

It's a technical strategy ... and unlikely to make a REAL differnece.

Almost all roll call votes are (in a pro forma fashion) followed by a motion to reconsider and then a motion to table the motion to reconsider, which is 'passed' without objection in order to put some finality on the vote. Without that idiomatic set of motions and tabling, any roll call vote can be reconsidered (reopened for another roll call) if someone on the prevailing side makes such a motion.

Damn... and here I thought it was all due to my phone call. :sarcasm:

hehehehe -- we blocked it, we blocked it!!
sorry for yelling . . .

for another vote? I don't understand Senate procedures, obviously.

...anytime in the next few days, he can move to reconsider. If that motion is agreed to, they will have to vote on cloture again.

and you can only bring a motion to reconsider if you voted on the winning side.

Perhaps they are twisting Stevens arm to get him to release his choke hold on this bill and remove ANWR as he said he would do if necessary.

One can only hope.

We can hope they're making Stevens stay true to his word.....that old curmudgeon!

voted no?

Frist already called for reconsideration. They are not done yet.

Wonder whose dirty laundry he is threatening to parade out to get them to change their vote.

Those will be the arms that are being twisted. Dewine is waaaaaaaaaaaaay behind in his state polls for
re-election and that's why he voted no, but who else?

the Dem's who vote yes.......time would be well spent.

Her own website says so:
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We pay these clowns. Way more than they are worth!

to change their votes? Isn't this where DeLay used to do his mafia tactics? :mad: This vote needs to stand. :)

Dewine... Chaffee... about three others.

on the release of the ANWR part of the legislation. :)

Forcing revote after revote, keeping the Senators on the floor ad infinitum, until he gets what he wants?

(unfotunately)

I mean, look at why were facing cloture to begin with...

until he gets his way. waaaaah! :cry::cry: I want my oil drilling! waaaaah! :cry::cry: He's a pathetic piece of crap.

in the Senate chambers? Stevens says he has already cancelled his Christmas plans. :grr:

I hope that your fruitcake tastes like ashes in your mouth!

until there are hearings set up on Bush's Spygate on us all.

Make him another deal boys. He can still remember the one made by two dead guys 25 years ago. He won't soon forget YOUR promises. Just be ready to pay the price when the time comes if you make this deal with the devil.

If he removes it, then they all could vote yes and pass this bill with all the goodies for everyone EXCEPT Stevens. He said he would remove it if he needed to. Let's see if he is a man of his word or just a mini-hulk!

They don't want those oil settlement checks to ever stop. Isn't that the main source of income for most Alaskans? They'd sell their own mothers for a yearly check from the government.

must be applied for by January and you don't get it until October. Payment in October , per person, was around $850. They are going to sell their soul for less than $1000 maybe?

Check out their site - http://www.pfd.state.ak.us/

Right now the vote was 56/44 with 3 Republicans voting against cloture -- can they get 3 repubs & 1 dem to switch votes and have Cheney deliver the death blow?

That is his only OFFICIAL duty as VP, to be the President of the Senate and to cast tie breaking votes. I am sure he is salivating at the prospect of sticking it to us two times in one day.

...he can only cast a vote in a tie, 50-50, 48-48 etc...

A cloture vote would be 59-41. I doubt he can add his vote to make it 60-41 because that's not really a tie.

so Cheney could do it again.

WTF? I don't doubt they would do that if it's an option.

vote again. The previous vote is then null and void and they start over from scratch.

But, the previous poster was probably right about a cloture vote. They need the 60 votes to stop a filibuster, not just a majority to pass the bill.

Frist must be sweating bullets about now. Delay and Hastert twisted enough arms to squeak out the energy bill in the 12th hour. He has to deliver on this one, one way or the other, with or without ANWR.

Aren't folks in her state fed up with them? Or is she just the oil company's lackey no matter what?

And what the hell is with those two Hawaiians?

i`m sure if they can vote she will be gone.

or she would have lost her ability to scream at them for not doing anything to help the Coast. Her hands were tied. I understand it and feel her pain.

live shot of Senate Chambers, virtually empty, a few staffers sitting, walking around.

:toast:

Frist is no doubt twisting arms to change votes OR begging Stevens to be a man and remove ANWR so they can pass this bill.

She had every leg to stand on. She could of insisted that Arctic drilling be removed from the bill. She would had every right to do it. She could shame Stevens into removing it and the entire republican party, but she didn't. Lets hope she does.

Her 74% voting record WITH this republican party doesn't say much. If she cares about her seat, she ought to listen to her constituents she represents. People who are mighty pissed off at the republican party and this Admin for leaving them for dead.

I know there are alot of Landreiu fans out there, I'm just not one of them when I look at her record.

if she voted against ANY BILL that had Katrina funding in it, she could kiss her seat goodby as well as her legitimate right to complain that they weren't moving at all to bring funds to the area. She was damned if she did and damned if she didn't on this one. I see your point though and otherwise, would agree with you.

After all of this jockeying for favor - so that profits from leasing land at ANWR will go to rebuild the coast - the Governor of Alaska has the last say - he can, without any explanation - decide that *none* of the profits will go to the Coast.

Also - funds from leasing the land won't be released until 2008 at the earliest, more in 2010, and all of the estimates of how much will be released are based on Senator Steven's inflated estimates.

If Landrieu were not in the pocket of the GOP she would stand with Dem Senators to demand funds be released immediately - and not tied to ANWR profits in any way.

Why are you a Democrat if you always vote against us? sheesh.

Usually.

Comes from their rich territorial traditions, or something like that.

:hi:

It is all about *oil profits* -

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