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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:15 PM
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Again, I want to know WHO Bush has been spying on.
This is the relevant subject, not Bill Clinton. Our media is so damned anxious to be led away from meaningful questions, it's just pathetic.

WHO has Bush been illegally spying on?
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:20 PM
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1. that IS the question.
the hearings need to audit the subjects of every unwarranted surveillance. i suspect they will find political abuses that will be horrifying.
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:21 PM
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2. Good question, the media might get around to it, huh?
But don't bet the rent money on it. If it is true that Clenis had warrantless searches, then there is a better chance we will know who those were conducted on, before we ever hear about Cheney and Bush's victims.

WHERE is Richard Clarke in all THIS??

He was NSA in BOTH admins. Has he been making ANY comment, anywhere?
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:27 PM
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3. Democrats, of course
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:29 PM
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4. Bolton, NSA : the refusal of docs.
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 05:52 PM by insane_cratic_gal


Bolton was involved!

Written April 2005: http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/000538.html

completely unanticipated development in the NSA intercepts issue was that unnamed senior level sources who are cleared but refuse to say much more indicated that NM Governor Bill Richardson may be part of the package of NSA intercepts interest exhibited by John Bolton.

This may or may not be true. It seems to me to be a simple, binary question. Bolton requested names of U.S. officials in ten sets of intercepts requested and perused by Bolton. Either Richardson was part of the mix, or not. NSA should find a way to make that clear.

On another front, some were speculating that Bolton's real target of interest was American Envoy for Negotiations with North Korea Jack Pritchard. There seem to have been a number of other officials who interested him as well. The issue with Pritchard, however, is that Bolton was requesting names of officials that were scrubbed out in intercept transcripts. It would have been clear to Bolton or anyone else reading the NSA reports who the official was if it was Pritchard -- so the request for a name seems either redundant or silly.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:40 PM
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12. Thanks for the information and I think you got it right.
I would hope this clears it up for the thread starter.
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:45 PM
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14. Jay Rockefeller expressed concern
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 05:48 PM by insane_cratic_gal
about Bolton's NSA requests during his hearings too

"Pat Roberts, and its top Democrat, Jay Rockefeller, got a closed-door briefing on Bolton's NSA dealings from the deputy intel czar, Gen. Michael Hayden. The senators agreed Bolton's initial NSA requests for U.S. names were legit. But the normally collegial Roberts and Rockefeller couldn't agree on whether Bolton handled the names appropriately once he received them.

Senator Roberts argued that Democrats called unnecessary attention to intel "sources and methods" by raising Bolton's NSA dealings publicly. Rockefeller complained that Bolton sought out a State Department official whose name was supplied by the NSA "to congratulate him"—for unspecified reasons—which Rockefeller said was "not in keeping" with Bolton's request for the uncensored NSA report. Roberts said this charge was ill founded.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8017664/site/newsweek/

Just google Bolton Nsa intercepts

My only conclusion though probably half baked.. The reason the Bush Admin wanted to hold onto those intercepts so badly is directly related to the recent wiretapping.
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dennisnyc Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:30 PM
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5. Democracy Now! interviewed some of those spied upon today.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/21/1447236

Peta, Greenpeace, the Catholic Worker.....

and this is just the FBI spying
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:33 PM
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6. if they were LEGITIMATE targets....
BushCo would have been able to tap their phones through existing legal channels...

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:33 PM
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7. I'll betcha' there were many with NO ties to terrorists.
I'll betcha'!!!
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dennisnyc Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:37 PM
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10. in a document on Democracy Now today, PETA is said to
have hired Asian interns to perform criminal acts.
The guy from PETA found this laughable. What the FBI is doing is Laughable AND criminal.

And a waste of time in the real hunt for anyone that may be trying to kill Americans!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:34 PM
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8. Precisely. They keep saying it was only "terrorists" - but how do we know?
If there are no checks and balances, no oversight, if all we have is Bush's word that only Al Queda or terrorists were subject to eavesdropping, well, we all know what his word is worth. He's a proven serial LIAR. Which is exactly WHY we need judicial oversight on wiretaps. This "trust me" routine is outrageous.

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NoAmericanTaliban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:46 PM
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15. Creeping definition of 'Terrorist' is why * loves this war
anyone can be a terrorist - depending on how they define it. PETA, Greenpeace, Catholics.. can all be terrorist in their minds. Anyone who opposes or even questions them can be 'Terrorist'. This is a non-ending war with an endless supply of 'terrorist'. Better than the cold war - which eventually ended.
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dennisnyc Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:34 PM
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9. remember, b*sh has the FBI, the NSA and the Pentagon
in on the spying game. Not to mention any other agencies that haven't been outed....
or that i'm not thinking of at this moment...i think there are other agencies as well...
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:38 PM
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11. Of course, I bet even the diehard 10-20% who would eat
Bush's* shit would be okay with him spying on political foes, or potential political foes of his buddies that might be running for office or trying to get into other positions of influence.

But I've got to know...
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:40 PM
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13. Bill Clinton. nt
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:48 PM
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16. The two biggest lies ever told...
Trust me.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 05:53 PM
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17. I would like to know this too
just who has been spied on
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 06:05 PM
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18. Everyone!
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 06:10 PM
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19. Michael Moore. Bank on it. Stupid, yeah, but they're OBSESSED.
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 06:47 PM
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20. until we get a list
I'm not going to let this go!
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