Bush. Is. Toast.

Let me say it again: TOAST!

Who would have dreamed that the minority PARTY would be able to stop MAJORITY DRIVEN INITIATIVES in Congress TIME AFTER TIME this year.

Today was an INCREDIBLE day. The Republicans ARE NO LONGER IN THE LOCKSTEP that made them so successful in the past. They have shown the first REAL signs of TRUE PARTY DIVISION by having more than a handful of members DEFECT to SIDE WITH THE MINORITY today on both the SNEAK ATTACK ANWR Bill and the Tax Cut for the Wealthy Bill (Cheney HAD to come in to BREAK THE TIE).

The seeds of Doubt have germinated and now are sprouted vines that will grow and choke off Bush's power.

Congress is in agreement in opening INVESTIGATIONS on the admin with respect to the use of ILLEGAL WIRETAPPING against US Citizens.

The Judicial Branch is also EXTREMELY UNHAPPY and opening their own investigations.

Bush, you REACHED TOO FAR this time. By ILLEGALLY Trying to EXPAND your powers, you told the other two branches of government that they don't have a purpose. They didn't like that very much. And you are about to experience a serious backlash, one that will lead to yours and your entire administrations IMPEACHMENT. This is no longer about Democrats vs. Republicans. This is about AMERICANS vs your group of FASCIST CRONIES. You should seriously consider resignation at this point. The consequences of trying to fight AMERICA may be your ultimate undoing.

:toast:

And maybe you are, but I like reading it, nevertheless. Thanks for stating the positive, something that doesn't get done often enough around here.:-)

Thanks for pointing it out and lifting our spirits.


Even two months ago, this happening was only in my dreams.

I would never think that we have climbed this far.


Let's really keep the pressure on over the holidays.

I said right after the "election" last year that he wouldn't finish his term. I'm still feeling that way.

that you are right, I know deep in my soul that this should be the death knoll of this regime, but so many sheep approve, or don't mind or..to my utter shock, have not even heard of this issue. I'm calling and writing my rep.s and signing petitions but I have not a lot of faith that this will mean anything. My family still thinks he is the PRESIDENT of their dreams...aaarrrgh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bush always prevails

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say go away, I come here to here to get my positive fix when I think the bastards just keep getting away w/ it again and again and again........

We don't do that here anymore.

just expressing some concerns that a LOT of people share

the "Bush always prevails" one.

I honestly feel the tables are turning against BushCo. If the Democrats can regain at least one house of Congress in 2006, I'd expect some drastic changes to come.

Something has to give at some point *BEFORE* we end up in a dictatorship doesn't it?!?! That is what I HAVE to believe in.

But it does not pay to kid ourselves.
The republicans have a lock on the whole system.
Until we can break the strangle hold they will continue to
beat up on us. I don't have a solution but I think the first step is to
make sure our votes will actually count.

...to pick up your slack. That's what Progressives do.

As for me, I'll...

Never Give Up.

real results from the legislature.

...to pick up your slack. That's what Progressives do.

As for me, I'll...

Never Give Up.

Republicans are going to ground. They know they've been on a 4 year bender and the polls are bad news. I think the whole legislative machine will be coming to a halt. DeLay, Abramoff, Plamegate, Bushgate, Iraq's in shambles, their still busting the budget and give tax breaks to the rich....I think even the Republican voting machines will be hardpressed to stop a Democratic sweep in the mid-terms.

It was not just a reauthorization, it was Patriot PLUS. They're going to have to come back and get rational if they want to get anything out of this Congress. Especially after the Bush spy hearings.

but -burnt toast- even if you scrap off the burnt stuff , the toast still tastes like shit.

He has certainly spent all of his "political capital" though. Why, it just about a year ago when Bush, having been reelected, stated that he had earned some political capital with his victory and he was going to spend it.

I would say that starting with Katrina, Bush has spent all his remaining political capital (at a rate faster than Paris Hilton spending money on Rodeo Drive). I just hope the Republicans believe that his politacal capital account is overdrawn and foreclose on this administration (impeachment).

Yes, I have taken up temporary residence in the village of 'Schadenfreude', but given the serious issues before us, will be moving on shortly. :9

He's a lame duck without popular support and members of his own party, and the bulk of the media are turning on him. He has NO political capital left to spend.
The Professor

from when she started doing her thing.

Katrina was the watershed after Cindy cracked their dam.

How did booshie ever get by with that comment on "spending capital" remark in the first place? Even if you believe the "official" vote was correct and not created by Diebold, 51% doesn't give any kind of spending margin. If he'd had the brain power of a mosquito he'd have pulled in a bit and known he was going to get tarred & feathered before the final four years concluded. But, then daddy bailed him out of his mess with the SEC after he took profits from companies he'd "led" into bankruptcy. He lives on the assumption someone is always there to wipe up the trail he leaves ... and it appears someone always does. It is very "out there" right now though and the stench leads right to his little loafers. Just a guess here ... but I'm thinking this time there may be no place to run to, no place to hide.

Our real concern should be the brains and money behind Bush.

The best thing about impeachment is that it would keep at least some conservative brains and money too occupied to continue to do damage at the same rate -- but then it would probably keep the same amount of liberal brains and money occupied as well.

Apart from that, remember that the Presidential line of succession is:
Vice President (Richard B. Cheney)
Speaker of the House of Representatives (J. Dennis Hastert)
President pro tempore of the Senate (Ted Stevens)
Secretary of State (Condoleezza Rice)
Secretary of the Treasury (John W. Snow)
Secretary of Defense (Donald H. Rumsfeld)
Attorney General (Alberto Gonzales)
(etc.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession

for starters. then they can come back and clean up the gulf states, forfeit all their fortunes, and spend the rest of their lives in one common jail cell.

think Rocky can pull another one out of the hat for him?

to unseat them as well. By the time an actual impeachment of bush came through many of these scandals will have seriosuly enveloped them all (except for Snow I haven't seen his name embroiled in controversy yet). Also by the time that impeachment were to take effect we would be probably two maybe one and half years out from the next presidential election. That is not enough time for the neocons to reassert their power especially with so many of them in deep shit anyways. As much as I dislike some traditional conservatives they are on the whole a helluva lot better for the world and the US than the goons in power at the moment and I dare say that that is what we would probably have for the remaining time of republican rule should impeachment come to pass.

The election in 08 will very much be the Dems to lose if half this admin goes down in indictments and impeachment. We all know how deep and widespread corruption is in the GOP but most of their supporters especially the more moderate ones don't believe it ( not because of part loyalty but it all sound too tinfoily to them too CT), once they find out that indeed many of the wild tinfoil hate crowd CTs were somewhat true I imagine a good chunk staying home or even switching parties.

Basically in my eyes an impeachment helps to hamstring the 'pubs for the next couple of years. Even if Cheney gets to sit as prez the entire time his admin and party are going to crippled and no one will trust them to do the right thing. Thats a good good thing.

my take on it FWIW.

slow down their ability to do quite as much harm. I think of poor Bill Clinton and the many wonderful things he was prevented from doing while fighting that evil impeachment. Of course the majority of the congress was opposition against him. If we can get enough Republicans to come over to the impeachment side, it would definately keep the cabal leaping through hoops and less focused on money laundering via Iraq. Although ... they might not CARE about impeachment and stay focused on MORE quickly getting their funds via buddy-contracts in war zones. Gettin' it while they can, and to the max.

At least an impeachment of his bro' and indictments of his running buddies might keep old jebbit booosh from making a run for the top office.

Then we wouldn't have to work nearly as hard to wake the country up. Let them do it while they are pissed. The last thing we want to do right now is cause them to backstep from being totally fucking pissed at Bush. Just keep giving them some more rope, there ya go righty, there ya go until...well, you know.

Maybe that will work. Nothing else has yet.
:shrug:

I couldn't believe the wording:

Do you believe President Bush's actions justify impeachment? * 49294 responses


Yes, between the secret spying, the deceptions leading to war and more, there is plenty to justify putting him on trial.
88%

No, like any president, he has made a few missteps, but nothing approaching "high crimes and misdemeanors."
4%

No, the man has done absolutely nothing wrong. Impeachment would just be a political lynching.
7%

I don't know.
1%

Eschaton is posting the link if you care to participate. :D

I kept checking out the URL to determine whether someone had created a mock MSNBC page! :wow:

I'd have enough for a caribbean vaca! :rofl:

I hope he's burnt toast at that. Let's hope the House of Representatives has a backbone and goes for impeachment!!!

In fact, the U.S. Senate and House and most state legislatures and most gubernatorial elections will also be won by Republicans because:

1. U.S. vote counting systems are set up to give complete freedom to insiders to manipulate vote counts because vote counts are not routinely independently audited in the vast majority of states and counties.

2. Republicans have purchased every voting machine company in America, with perhaps the exception of one.

3. All the available data indicates that vote counts have been manipulated by insiders since at least the 1990's so that a substantial proportion of state and federal legislators, and governors, as well as recent U.S. presidents may have obtained their positions not because a majority of voters voted for them

4. The ease of manipulating vote counts undetectably has gotten much worse lately due to the huge bonanza for election tamperers called the HAVA law that enabled the purchase of new voting machines that are virtually impossible to independently audit. Fewer than 30% of voters take the extra step to verify paper rolls, and even if they did, paper rolls are virtually impossible to hand recount and so are counted using proprietary bar codes.

Therefore, it will not matter one whit how many voters get out to vote or how many voters vote Democratic, Dems will not win elections unless:

1. Dems stop conceding elections and demand to obtain and analyze the detailed precinct level vote counts broken out by vote type that not one county publicly releases now but which we have a legal right to obtain, and then demand recounts, investigations or even re-elections when it is justified. (You can see the results when candidates use "instinct" rather than data to select where to recount such as when Gore selected the Florida punchcard counties when he would have won Florida if he selected the optical scan counties.)

2. Vote counts are routinely independently audited for accuracy. We audit banks, churches, schools and businesses to protect from insider embezzlement and innocent errors. Why not vote counts when winners control budgets in the millions to trillions? Is there no incentive to tamper with vote counts - given the complete lack of any methods to detect miscounts?

3. We raise funds to build a national public election data archive for volunteers to upload the results of their public records requests and make official detailed vote count data that enables independent analysts to detect vote miscounts publicly available.

Please see http://electionarchive.org

Since you have a keen and well-placed interest in this subject, I'm surprised your post didn't mention the downfall-in-progress of Diebold -- between the lawsuits, state de-certifications, resignation of O'Dell, and the criminal investigations launched against the company in the past few months, I think it's safe to say one down and two to go.

There is definitely a groundswell of actionable interest in holding these companies accountable.

Sunshinekathy makes super analysis of the situation. I especially like the suggestions she makes. This should get a wider audience. Have you published this elsewhere? This really needs to be "out there."

that being said, he's been toast in my book for years.

If you want to see it happen as much as i do vote dem in 2006.

so I will have to see it to believe it. Yes, he should be toast, but will he?

Desperate plays to the right wing,
Zealots on the bench,
Unheard of environmental policies,
Damaging our allies,
Secret military operations,
campaigns to destroy the lives of our candidates,
that's what I foresee

:7

Who knows if you are right? No one! But I am gonna believe you over the 'it'll never happen' crowd because it makes me feel so much better!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

The right-wing-nuts are now saying that Bush* is a liberal. Since they don't like him anymore?

Even more than it is good for Democrats. People are voting their conscience. Whether it's Landrieu voting yes because she feels she has to or Sununu voting no for the same reason, CONSCIENCE has been restored to the Senate. :bounce:

Let him fight it. Let's see how far he's willing to go...he will destroy himself and his party in the process.

Most of the pictures I've seen of Our Great Leader in the last week show a weak, nervous, frightened little man. You can see the defeat in his eyes. It's all over but the shouting, folks. Right?

No matter what happens to Bush.

If they are cutting him loose, it is because he is an ineffectual puppet/spokesman.

There will be no real change until honest politicians really start fighting for the working man.

It is nice that we can slow them down, but we haven't stopped them by any stretch of the imagination.

There is MUCH to be done. I really doubt if real change can occur in this country without a major calamity to wake up the people to the evil nature of the republican corporate cabal (and their Democratic sell-out partners).

Sorry for sounding pessimistic in a great post, but they have fkkked this country hard and good. :(

Now it's our turn to use him** to damage them.

NGU.

I have been thinking the same thing.
Bush appointments. And other things that pushed the country yet more to the right, again. Like Reagan.

But remember Clinton? Carter? There was improvement.

The problem of big money... Then I thought- Isn't the biggest money the taxpayers money? Hmmm.

So my thought is to kick the lobbyists back to where they came, and to yank the cash from campaigning, and get the media out of the clutches of the corporations.


I can dream.

We get what we demand.

And remember, when it gets bad enough, we all just stop paying tax.


So much for my two minute solution to the world's problems.

...running interference for them. That in itself shows how badly the GOP is doing!

GOP = "Grand Ol' hyPocrites"

He sought to WAGE WAR IN THE U.S.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5673062&mesg_id=5673062